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jochenf

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Re: Aqua Mail is now part of the MobiSystems family
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2016, 12:34:35 pm »
Hm, mobisystems and flurry are blocked in AdAway - very "good" sign. :(

Maybe a nice deal for you Kostya, but I fear not for us. Thanks for your work over the years, it was the best mail client.

A pro customer says goodby...
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doministry

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Re: Aqua Mail is now part of the MobiSystems family
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2016, 01:29:25 pm »
Hm, mobisystems and flurry are blocked in AdAway - very "good" sign. :(

Maybe a nice deal for you Kostya, but I fear not for us. Thanks for your work over the years, it was the best mail client.

A pro customer says goodby...
What is AdWay?

patrickdrd

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Re: Aqua Mail is now part of the MobiSystems family
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2016, 01:30:56 pm »
ad blocking software?

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Re: Aqua Mail is now part of the MobiSystems family
« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2016, 05:30:21 pm »
ad 1) about Flurry Analytics:
https://developer.yahoo.com/analytics/features.html

I liked AquaMail because there was no tracking.

But there are more "dangerous" tracker in the world than Flurry.

At this moment K-9 is the only Mail-App one left without tracking.

But I will stay with AquaMail.

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Re: Aqua Mail is now part of the MobiSystems family
« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2016, 06:24:03 pm »
Hm, mobisystems and flurry are blocked in AdAway - very "good" sign. :(

Maybe a nice deal for you Kostya, but I fear not for us. Thanks for your work over the years, it was the best mail client.

A pro customer says goodby...

1. With respect to flurry, what exactly is blocked in AdAway?
There are at least 3 flurry products:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flurry_(company)
  • Flurry Analytics
  • Flurry for Advertisers (formerly AppCircle)
  • Flurry for Publishers (formerly AppSpot)
As far as I understand Flurry Analytics that was mentioned with respect to the newest version of Aquamail is not serving any ads, but rather collecting usage information.

2. I am not that much familiar with Flurry Analytics and mobisystems to make the ultimate judgement about their "tracking habits". From the description on the Wikipedia page (which sounds like it was written by a person from Flurry itself), - it is not malicious, and it is not more intrusive than Google is. Google collects much more information about Android users, and I don't see herds of people dumping their Android phones. (Google knows what, when, and where you are doing, and with whom, as well as their contact information.)

3. So far, one could stay with the desired version without upgrading. I hope that will remain the case. (I have a "sweet spot" intermediate -dev version that I've been enjoying due to the 1-letter-based search of addresses.)

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Re: Aqua Mail is now part of the MobiSystems family
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2016, 01:27:36 am »
I can't say I'm happy for MYSELF for this, since I've not had the best experience with MobiSystems over the years.  And, as others have said, these kinds of arrangements usually lead to less user privacy, some weird development decisions, and all around lack of joy.

I'm happy for YOU, though, Kostya, since you'll have more money and more time.

I noticed that, in Google Play, my current version of AquaMail isn't showing up as installed when compared to the version put forth by MobiSystems.  Are they not in any way linked?

- Tim

Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: Aqua Mail is now part of the MobiSystems family
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2016, 10:23:52 pm »
Re: Flurry

Yes there is (obviously) Flurry in the latest version.

To my knowledge (and this is getting "corporate"), it's not a violation of the privacy policy, or else the policy would be updated.

Re: I noticed that, in Google Play, my current version of AquaMail isn't showing up as installed when compared to the version put forth by MobiSystems.  Are they not in any way linked?

It' same exact app, just under a new "publisher" ("owner", "developer account" whatever you call it).

There have not been any updates *by* MobiSystems in Google Play, yet.

So I can't really know, sounds like some sort of Play glitch you've ran into :)
Creating debug logs for diagnostics: https://www.aqua-mail.com/troubleshooting/

The official FAQ: https://www.aqua-mail.com/faq/

Лог-файлы для диагностики: https://www.aqua-mail.com/ru/troubleshooting/

Вопросы и ответы: https://www.aqua-mail.com/ru/faq/

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Re: Aqua Mail is now part of the MobiSystems family
« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2016, 08:06:03 pm »
Hi everyone,

This is Nadia from MobiSystems and I will be helping Kostya with the support :)
A little delayed ... welcome Nadia! :)

Davey126

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Re: Aqua Mail is now part of the MobiSystems family
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2016, 08:11:49 pm »
No, I'm not moving anywhere.

And yes, the idea is to keep moving the app forward...

...and oh look, there are actual changes and features in this 1.7.0 build.

Sorry it took so long, but we had to take care of a few things before resuming forum builds.
Just loaded up 1.7.0-45. Nice suite of enhancements; same quality as always. Congrats, Kostya on a successful partnership with MobiSystems. Health, happiness and financial stability (which encompasses just about everything else) are primary. Always.

Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: Aqua Mail is now part of the MobiSystems family
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2016, 12:01:13 am »
Thank you @Davey126, appreciated!
Creating debug logs for diagnostics: https://www.aqua-mail.com/troubleshooting/

The official FAQ: https://www.aqua-mail.com/faq/

Лог-файлы для диагностики: https://www.aqua-mail.com/ru/troubleshooting/

Вопросы и ответы: https://www.aqua-mail.com/ru/faq/

sudhakarcool

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Re: Aqua Mail is now part of the MobiSystems family
« Reply #40 on: December 06, 2016, 10:32:08 am »
Congratulations :)

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Re: Aqua Mail is now part of the MobiSystems family
« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2016, 01:53:54 pm »
While I'm obviously pleased for Kostya, I'm very much saddened that it's MobiSystems that have got involved. I've uninstalled and disabled a number of their apps on my Android devices because of the ads, bloat, and lack of clarity about the 'fantastic new features' that are pay-per-use (one example being file conversions in File Commander).

I hope I'm wrong Kostya, but I think going with MobiSystems is a bad deal for your users.

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Re: Aqua Mail is now part of the MobiSystems family
« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2016, 10:07:31 pm »
Re: Flurry

Yes there is (obviously) Flurry in the latest version.

To my knowledge (and this is getting "corporate"), it's not a violation of the privacy policy, or else the policy would be updated.

Re: I noticed that, in Google Play, my current version of AquaMail isn't showing up as installed when compared to the version put forth by MobiSystems.  Are they not in any way linked?

It' same exact app, just under a new "publisher" ("owner", "developer account" whatever you call it).

There have not been any updates *by* MobiSystems in Google Play, yet.

So I can't really know, sounds like some sort of Play glitch you've ran into :)

The introduction of Flurry is so "obvious" that is has been conveniently forgotten in the changelog...
On the other hand, as I think that the way I use an app I bought is none of the maker's business, I'd like to know how can I disable or opt-out the analytics/telemetry. If this is not possible, I'll sadly stop suggesting Aquamail as a privacy respecting mail client and I'll be forced to stop using it myself.

Yeah, I already know that you and Mobisystem probably couldn't care less...

Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: Aqua Mail is now part of the MobiSystems family
« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2016, 10:39:38 pm »
Re: I needed to have separate (different) settings for sync settings for different accounts (sync on WiFi only vs sync on WiFi+mobile connection).

It's an internal change, this is why it was not included in the changelog, which is for user visible changes not implementation details.

I guess Flurry is a user visible change to you personally, well, nothing wrong with that.

Just want to point out that Flurry very explicitly forbids apps developers from collecting any personally identifiable information.

Attempting to do this would be a violation of Flurry's "developer agreement", if any app (not just Aqua Mail) was doing it...

Re: Yeah, I already know that you and Mobisystem probably couldn't care less...

... but since you already wrote that "I'll be forced to stop using it myself", you probably couldn't care less...

Creating debug logs for diagnostics: https://www.aqua-mail.com/troubleshooting/

The official FAQ: https://www.aqua-mail.com/faq/

Лог-файлы для диагностики: https://www.aqua-mail.com/ru/troubleshooting/

Вопросы и ответы: https://www.aqua-mail.com/ru/faq/

freeman1975

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Re: Aqua Mail is now part of the MobiSystems family
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2016, 11:51:24 pm »

It's an internal change, this is why it was not included in the changelog, which is for user visible changes not implementation details.

I guess Flurry is a user visible change to you personally, well, nothing wrong with that.


While I'm not a developer, I respectfully disagree, as I don't consider the addition of analytics stuff a minor point. It should have been mentioned in the changelog.

Just want to point out that Flurry very explicitly forbids apps developers from collecting any personally identifiable information.

Attempting to do this would be a violation of Flurry's "developer agreement", if any app (not just Aqua Mail) was doing it...

The point is not "personally identifiable infos" or not. The point is that an user should be given the possibility to opt-out, if he/she feels like. Hope you (or whoever is going to manage the app from now on) consider the idea. Crossing a lot of small "not personally identifiable infos" one could  build a very detailed profile of an user (and his/her identity), as we know. Anyway, save for a couple of open-source projects, I prefer to avoid all kind of telemetry/analytics because I feel this is the right thing to do **for me**. Do I wear a tin-foil hat? Maybe, but this is off-topic now.

Re: Yeah, I already know that you and Mobisystem probably couldn't care less...

... but since you already wrote that "I'll be forced to stop using it myself", you probably couldn't care less...

C'mon... I've been a great supporter of your app, buying it and suggesting it to friends in real life and on various forum on the internet. If I didn't care, I wouldn't have written here (I actually rushed here just after I noticed the new developer). I'd really like to continue using AM but I just don't like the feeling of stuff going on behind my back (my tin-foil hat is tight). So, again, would you please consider the idea of making the analytics stuff opt-out?

Thanks.
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