Choose the order of folder lists

[mikeone]

Thank you (merged) but is it possible to somehow imply that it's "As *another* incoming folder" (to delineate from "As *the* Inbox")?

Rather a sort of " Treat as incoming "?
Therefore, it should be better: "Als Posteingang behandeln"
Thus it is analogue to the option: "Als Spam behandeln" ("Sync [treat] as spam")

Thanks for your verification,  Kostya.

[Kostya Vasilyev]

This is for the "move (message) to spam (folder)" command.

[mikeone]

Thank you (merged) but is it possible to somehow imply that it's "As *another* incoming folder" (to delineate from "As *the* Inbox")?

Rather a sort of " Treat as incoming "?
Therefore, it should be better: "Als Posteingang behandeln"
Thus it is analogue to the option: "Als Spam behandeln" ("Sync [treat] as spam")

Thanks for your verification,  Kostya.

Kostya:
Can you please add the 3rd word "... behandeln"

>   Als Posteingang behandeln

Many Thanks.
Mikeone

[Kostya Vasilyev]

>>> Als Posteingang behandeln

Merged. No new build right now, kind of in the middle of something.

I suspected as such looking at the options for Spam (how it's "Sync *as* Spam" vs. "Sync *with* Sent").

[mikeone]

>>> Als Posteingang behandeln

Merged. No new build right now, kind of in the middle of something.

I suspected as such looking at the options for Spam (how it's "Sync *as* Spam" vs. "Sync *with* Sent").

Thanks Kostya,
I'm assuming the new description should be clear enough for the user.

[foresto]

The wording was meant to imply that you'd be syncing

"as a folder that contains incoming messages (so you'll get notifications, and it will be kept up to date just like the inbox is"

and also

"as opposed to folders that have special meaning, like Drafts or Sent"

and NOT to mean

"messages from all folders marked with Sync as Incoming will be combined into a single Inbox folder"

I'd be happy to consider a change in wording to better convey this meaning, both in the app's settings and in the FAQ on the web site (as English is not my native language).

Great!

In English, I would label this option "Sync with server". It's not necessary to qualify it any more than that, since all the other options in the list distinguish themselves by describing special kinds of sync.

I suggest avoiding the word "incoming" for this option, since that implies it is only for inbox-like folders, which is misleading. It is just as apporpriate for archive folders, into which a user can move messages after they have been read.

[Kostya Vasilyev]

>> I suggest avoiding the word "incoming" for this option, since that implies it is only for inbox-like folders, which is misleading

Um, "Eengrish is not mah native lenguage", but what you called "misleading" is exactly what's going on here.

"As incoming" means "not as archive, not as spam, not as sent, not as deleted, not as drafts" -- as a "regular" plain good old "incoming-type" folder, something that "doesn't have a special meaning".

I'm still open to further discussion on this, but just wanted to clarify.

[foresto]

>> I suggest avoiding the word "incoming" for this option, since that implies it is only for inbox-like folders, which is misleading

Um, "Eengrish is not mah native lenguage",

Heh... Nice.

what you called "misleading" is exactly what's going on here. "As incoming" means "not as archive, not as spam, not as sent, not as deleted, not as drafts" -- as a "regular" plain good old "incoming-type" folder, something that "doesn't have a special meaning".

I'm still open to further discussion on this, but just wanted to clarify.

Yes, I understand your point.  I am a native English speaker, though, and the current phrasing misled me into thinking it was only good for an inbox and wouldn't do what I needed for my other folder. Once you convinced me to try it anyway, I discovered that it behaves as I needed after all.

There's no need to say "as incoming" to indicate that incoming messages will be picked up, because that is already implied by "sync". There's no need to say "as incoming" to distinguish it from the special folders like spam and drafts, because the other options in the list already make those folders distinct. Saying "sync as incoming" instead of just "sync" confuses the issue by suggesting that it only works in one direction.

If you want the menu option to explicitly state that it should be used for inboxes, I suggest a phrasing that doesn't also seem like a compatibility warning against non-inboxes. I still think "Sync with server" is sufficient, but something like "Sync (inbox/other folder)" might also convey your intent and be less confusing than the current phrasing.

Edit: rephrased for clarity.

[mikeone]

@Kostya:
Well, I agree with Foresto's argument since the German translation "Als Posteingang behandeln" is based on the meaning of "Sync as inbox" exactly what foresto pointed out as misleading.

Therefore I recommend to change the German phrase to
"Sync mit Eingangsserver"
> in the meaning of "Sync with incoming server".

Regards
Mikeone

[Soko]

Hello,

I understand forestos and mikeones arguments.

"Sync as incoming" is the standard syncing behavior, I expect when I want a Folder to be synced with my smartphone.
All other options are special options.

So, why not put this funktion on first place and name it "sync folder" or in german "Ordner synchronisieren"?
or just "sync" or "synchronisieren"
So it should be clear, that if this function is activated, I get a sync.

The translation "als Posteingang behandeln" is OK, but also can mislead the user, because "Posteingang" is often used for the Inbox root.

mikeones new suggestion "Sync with incoming server" or "Sync mit Eingangsserver" can mislead the user to the Question what is the "incoming server" or the "Eingangsserver".

Ciao,
Joachim

[mikeone]

@Soko
@Kostya,

I agree with "Ordner synchronisieren".
That's perfect.

Thanks to Joachim for his thoughts.

Regards
Mikeone

[foresto]

Well, in French, the current tranlation is not misleading, due to the use of different words (roots) for "inbox" and "incoming":

- "Boite de réception" for inbox (btw, that's the common accepted term to qualify "inbox") (root = recevoir i.e. receive)
- "entrant" for "incoming" (root = entrer i.e. enter)

I suspected something like that might be going on here. Thanks for pointing it out.

"Sync as incoming" is the standard syncing behavior, I expect when I want a Folder to be synced with my smartphone.
All other options are special options.

That's exactly what I was looking for when I first set up Aqua Mail: The standard, non-special kind of sync. Unfortunately, the English phrase "as incoming" made me think that option was a special kind of sync instead of the standard one, so I avoided it.

So, why not put this funktion on first place and name it "sync folder" or in german "Ordner synchronisieren"?
or just "sync" or "synchronisieren"
So it should be clear, that if this function is activated, I get a sync.

Yes, "Sync folder" would work nicely in English.

[Kostya Vasilyev]

I'm going to try "Sync (plain folder)", just to make it a bit more explicit when it's on the list alongside with "Sync as spam", "Sync with Sent" etc.

[foresto]

I'm going to try "Sync (plain folder)", just to make it a bit more explicit when it's on the list alongside with "Sync as spam", "Sync with Sent" etc.

Thanks, Kostya. That's definitely an improvement over the current text.

[mikeone]

@Soko
@Kostya,

I agree with "Ordner synchronisieren".
That's perfect.

Thanks to Joachim for his thoughts.

Regards
Mikeone

I'm going to try "Sync (plain folder)", just to make it a bit more explicit when it's on the list alongside with "Sync as spam", "Sync with Sent" etc.

Kostya:
Can you please even modify the German translation as suggested by Soko:

...
So, why not put this funktion on first place and name it "sync folder" or in german "Ordner synchronisieren"?
or just "sync" or "synchronisieren"
So it should be clear, that if this function is activated, I get a sync.
...
Ciao,
Joachim

English:                   >   German:
Sync (plain folder)  >  Ordner synchronisieren
                                     (instead of: Als Posteingang behandeln)
Thanks a lot!
Mikeone