Author Topic: Aquamail 1.6.1 no automatic synchronisation  (Read 3902 times)

MrGSM

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Aquamail 1.6.1 no automatic synchronisation
« on: February 25, 2016, 06:41:01 pm »
Hi,

I just install the last stable release of Aquamail 1.6.1, the setup was pretty easy, as usual.

But no automatic sync (every 5 minutes) and when i make the sync manually it works.

I didn't have problem with old release (1.6.0.1 and 1.5.7 and many)... The sync phone is activated.

I use a Galaxy S4 with stock 5.0.1

Thanks.

MrGSM

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Re: Aquamail 1.6.1 no automatic synchronisation
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2016, 07:21:04 pm »
Uninstall and install it again, it works...

Does Clean Master is compatible with Aqua Mail?

StR

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Re: Aquamail 1.6.1 no automatic synchronisation
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2016, 08:58:47 pm »
I've been using an older version of Clean Master (4.0.1.1732) for more than 2 years, and haven't seen any problems.
I configured it not to kill Aquamail, and not to clean Aquamail's cache. (Both would be counter-productive.)

BUT:  you should not do "advanced" junk cleaning, which is very aggressive and essentially offers you to delete large files that  it finds.

I didn't upgrade to the later versions, as AFAIK, I didn't like some of the newer permissions that I considered excessive.

There is a thread in these fora about Clean Master-related scares, but my suspicion those stories were from the cases when people allowed it to do "advanced" cleaning.

YMMV.

Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: Aquamail 1.6.1 no automatic synchronisation
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2016, 11:15:27 pm »
A senior member of Android development team once called these "memory optimizer" apps "evil" (or something like that).

And the question above is really for Clean Master developers to answer.
Creating debug logs for diagnostics: https://www.aqua-mail.com/troubleshooting/

The official FAQ: https://www.aqua-mail.com/faq/

Лог-файлы для диагностики: https://www.aqua-mail.com/ru/troubleshooting/

Вопросы и ответы: https://www.aqua-mail.com/ru/faq/

StR

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Re: Aquamail 1.6.1 no automatic synchronisation
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2016, 02:52:21 am »
A senior member of Android development team once called these "memory optimizer" apps "evil" (or something like that).

Android developers work on an idealized "spherical horse in vacuum". They do not seem to test what happens with the phone when its resources are hogged down  by a variety of resource-hungry apps, including bloatware from Google itself and phone service providers.
And most apps' cache can grow unlimited, clogging up the storage. (Mind that some people's phones might have only 8 GB of storage, and only 1 GB of RAM.)
The app in question has useful functionality that it helps quickly (1) kill some running apps (you select which ones) when Android resource managers is not keeping up, and it takes some 30-60 seconds to start, say, the phone app and (2) clean up the cache quickly (you also select for which apps) when the storage runs low and Android starts complaining about that (saying that the functionality is limited, or that you cannot update some app), or some app just couldn't work.

I agree that some (many) of the "optimizers" are far from perfect.
But I disagree with the statement that such apps have no merit.

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And the question above is really for Clean Master developers to answer.
I agree with this part.
I just shared my experience as a long-term user of both apps (albeit of the much older version of C.M.)


« Last Edit: February 26, 2016, 03:27:33 am by StR »

Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: Aquamail 1.6.1 no automatic synchronisation
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2016, 05:09:43 pm »
Re: has useful functionality that it helps quickly (1) kill some running apps

This is evil.

Re: (2) clean up the cache quickly

The caches are trimmed by Android automagically if storage gets low. And there is a way for the user to do that too, without additional apps.

Oh and I agree that this bloatware has gotten out of hand, even on Nexus phones (I don't want your fucking Hangouts or G+ etc.)

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But we digressed.

If there is an app specifically built to "stop running apps" -- then, surprise, a "running app" (AquaMail) will "stop running" just as intended.
Creating debug logs for diagnostics: https://www.aqua-mail.com/troubleshooting/

The official FAQ: https://www.aqua-mail.com/faq/

Лог-файлы для диагностики: https://www.aqua-mail.com/ru/troubleshooting/

Вопросы и ответы: https://www.aqua-mail.com/ru/faq/

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Re: Aquamail 1.6.1 no automatic synchronisation
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2016, 02:52:01 am »
Re: has useful functionality that it helps quickly (1) kill some running apps

This is evil.
It's kludgy, but given a choice: (a) to be able to run quickly the app I need at the moment or (b) to wait while the phone is sluggish, and maybe, at some point, the memory manager will take care of it, I am choosing the former.

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Re: (2) clean up the cache quickly

The caches are trimmed by Android automagically if storage gets low. And there is a way for the user to do that too, without additional apps.
I must have a kryptonite on my phone, as that automagic fails frequently. If each time over the past two years, when I had the system warning "storage is low, some functions might not be working", my 1 cent on the desk would have doubled, I would be the richest person on Earth today!
On each of those occasions, I delete some 30-100 MB of cache (and that's excluding the cache of those apps that it should not touch, such as Aquamail and others that would be unreasonable for me to delete).

As for the "way for the user to do that too, without additional apps.", - I am aware of two:
1. System -> Apps -> delete cache manually.
2. Android Voodoo-ish way of cleaning the cache partition by pressing these and those buttons simultaneously in a magic sequence, - and rebooting the phone twice in the mean time.

The first one is no different from what Clean Master (CM) is doing, albeit you have to do that individually for each app, whereas CM allows reviewing all of those caches quickly on one screen and cleaning them at once.
What's wrong with that? Just because some Guru said it's wrong? And because "real men" should do it manually, through the teeth and suffering...

Besides, apps leave behind other cache-like temporary files, like thumbnails. Those indeed speedup the apps if you are looking at the same images regularly. But if you look at some folder with images once in a month(s), there is no reason to keep numerous thumbnails. And I am not aware of anything in Android (4.x) that would be cleaning those thumbnails (and some other temporary files).
Actually, the situation is very similar to what happens in Windows: you can accumulate GBs of temporary files in the "TMP" folder in Windows that would never be deleted, unless you do it manually.
I remember WinXP was offering cleaning that when you have just a few MB remaining on the HDD. But I am not sure that Win 7 has that anymore (or maybe I disabled that, as I do that manually preemptively anyway).

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If there is an app specifically built to "stop running apps" -- then, surprise, a "running app" (AquaMail) will "stop running" just as intended.
As everything, all useful things should be used in moderation and judiciously. That's why I mentioned that this app allows configuring (and remembers those configurations) which apps can be stopped, and separately, - which apps' cache or thumbnails can be cleaned.
Otherwise, - it is similar to using a missile as a baseball bat.

And for the record, - no, CM is far from ideal, and can be dangerous if thinking is not used. But "it is better than nothing" (or the alternatives).

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But we digressed.

I agree.

I find this app useful. And I have metrics that prove that.
You prefer to follow the gospel preached by a evangelist in this issue. I am sincerely surprised, as I see that you base your conclusions on the evidence outside of this question.
But having provided the compelling evidence, I see further attempts of trying to challenge your faith are pointless. And I also don't want to waste your time.
 :D

Let's spend our time and energy on something constructive. (like Aquamail  ;) )

Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: Aquamail 1.6.1 no automatic synchronisation
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2016, 06:14:06 pm »
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You prefer to follow the gospel preached by a evangelist in this issue. I am sincerely surprised, as I see that you base your conclusions on the evidence outside of this question.

No, it's my personal experience too -- I never ever used Clean Master or any other similar app, or any "battery saving" app, and somehow survived using Android since November 2009 or so (HTC Hero, 1.5).

And on the other hand, I get emails from users about "app not working" and quite often it turns out to be Clean Master (or similar).

But -- this is just personal experience, subjective by definition.
Creating debug logs for diagnostics: https://www.aqua-mail.com/troubleshooting/

The official FAQ: https://www.aqua-mail.com/faq/

Лог-файлы для диагностики: https://www.aqua-mail.com/ru/troubleshooting/

Вопросы и ответы: https://www.aqua-mail.com/ru/faq/