Conversation Mode clarification

[Davey126]

@Paris Geek: no problem.

@arf8: Just in case, one more thought I forgot to mention: By any chance, are your messages in different folders (e.g. filtered by the server filters), as opposed to being all in one folder (e.g. Inbox)?
Aquamail doesn't combine message into a conversation across the folders (except when enabled by the option "Across folders", and then only between the folder you are in and "Sent" folder).

All in the same folder and I only have one email account setup in Aqua mail for now. Until the notifications from different contacts is added in the future.

First I admit to not adsorbing all the detail in this thread (time constraints). That said, Gmail is my primary with a fairly heavy daily message flow and an extensive folder hierarchy. My solution to AquaMail's grouping methodology is to regularly sync the All Mail and Sent folders (past 90 days;  unlimited messages). This results in *most* related messages being grouping into logical conversations *most* of the time yielding high consistency with native GMail groupings. The 90 day limit (which can be temporarily overridden) keeps the local database size in check. On occasion I still need to fall back to one of Gmail's native interfaces to deal with older items where accurate conversational alignment is important. A reasonable compromise given the other benefits AquaMail brings to the table.

[arf8]

Hi Davey,

That is a great suggestion, I'm hoping this issue can be fixed where the groupings work as advertised. Hoping with the header information posted this is just a minor bug that can be resolved. Otherwise like you I will have to use this work around. I really don't like having multiple email clients on the phone b/c they poll and drain the battery given the number of messages i receive daily.

Thanks

[Davey126]

Hi Davey,

That is a great suggestion, I'm hoping this issue can be fixed where the groupings work as advertised. Hoping with the header information posted this is just a minor bug that can be resolved. Otherwise like you I will have to use this work around. I really don't like having multiple email clients on the phone b/c they poll and drain the battery given the number of messages i receive daily.

Thanks

You can mitigate the drain by limiting what gets loaded during routine mail checks. You'll probably need to check/adjust network settings both at the account and global level. There's obviously a trade-off in convenience and overall efficiency depending on workflow, connection type, etc. The balance (settings) I use affords long battery life without too much inconvenience. Occasionally I have to tap to fully load an especially long message or large file attachment. No biggie. Often I can act on a message w/o having to download the full content.

Good luck!

[arf8]

thanks, i have one of my clients set to sync once a day which helps but having 3 clients just does not make sense. The second one is there just to interface with Gear S3 which uses native client. Would be nice to get this fixed in Aqua mail for sure.

[Davey126]

thanks, i have one of my clients set to sync once a day which helps but having 3 clients just does not make sense. The second one is there just to interface with Gear S3 which uses native client. Would be nice to get this fixed in Aqua mail for sure.

Probably not. This topic has been broadly discussed in the forums with little change. I understand the developers concerns which which must be balanced against customer satisfaction. Seems most are happy (or at least tolerant) of the current grouping methodology. Others (self) have found satisfactory work arounds. I have 4 clients that regularly sync as previously described.

[StR]

Paris Geek, in response to your question:
The three types of unfulfilled requests about conversation grouping I've seen on this forum are:
1. Grouping by Subject only.
2. Grouping by Sender only.
3. Grouping as in GMail. 
 
For the reference, AFAIK, the presently available methods are: Message-ID-related headers (with or without the same subject, as configured) and optionally, by Sender+Subject (even if the References and Reply-to headers are absent).

I am not sure if #1, or maybe #1+#2 covers all the cases in #3, or Gmail does something else, - e.g., body analysis (matching the quoted body content between messages).


PS. Just in case: In case of arf8, there might be a bug ... At least, I don't see why these messages with all legitimate References and Reply-to headers would not be combined in one conversation. This requires Kostya's attention.

[arf8]

@StR,

thanks for the post, I believe this is a bug based on the header information from these senders and messages received.

Cheers

[Davey126]

@Davey, I'm not sure to understand conversation grouping request. What's the need and the suggestion?
Thanks

I see @StR and @arf8 have already weighed in; not much more I can add to the conversation other than personal experience. Syncing All Mail resolved 90-95% of the message combining issues for me. It doesn't always match Gmail's threads (which sometimes gets it wrong too) but rarely do I have to hunt down an orphaned message. When it does happen a resync of All Mail often fixes things up...at least to my satisfaction. An awakward solution for some, especially if other steps are not taken to manage data consumption and local database size. But it works (mostly).

[Kostya Vasilyev]

@arf - I only now saw that you posted complete message headers for all the messages involved. Will take a look (by uploading them to one of my accounts and checking what happens).

Yes, the References and In-Reply-To are present, the subject is the same, it should have worked.

I just have one question, is there really a blank line here?

References: <58964aca.0faa370a.645b7.50c3SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
<CAM4SxfgGgTFBnfy6dQ6MjJFB=Cg5o62owAz+7TaVydeUwRXL0w@mail.gmail.com>
***** THIS BLANK LINE HERE IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR POST ***
<op.yu61x5jinwub7b@john-pc>,<CAM4Sxfj+NZjkO9sB=2a6dZN4Kgs3FF9-Q+7f+XyMYGkw3N9kXg@mail.gmail.com>

[Kostya Vasilyev]

@arf8 - and these are all incoming messages, correct?

[Kostya Vasilyev]

@art8

Sorry can't reproduce. We can try to think of some way to diagnose this further, but so far, nothing.

BTW, I had to fix a bunch of headers compared to what you posted -- remove the blank line in the middle of one header (the one I asked about above), and fix the indentation on others. Before I did, these messages wouldn't open right in Thunderbird or Fastmail web mail.

I'm not sure if your messages were like that to begin with (meaning malformed) or they got changed when you copied / pasted.

What I ended up with it below:

Message 1, the original was *last* in your post:

In-Reply-To: <op.yu61x5jinwub7b@john-pc>
References: <58964aca.0faa370a.645b7.50c3SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
 <CAM4SxfgGgTFBnfy6dQ6MjJFB=Cg5o62owAz+7TaVydeUwRXL0w@mail.gmail.com>
 <op.yu61x5jinwub7b@john-pc>
From: A Y <h@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 00:15:46 +0800
Message-ID: <CAM4Sxfj+NZjkO9sB=2a6dZN4Kgs3FF9-Q+7f+XyMYGkw3N9kXg@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RMZ
To: J R <p@san.rr.com>
Cc: D L <rr@aol.com>, A Jet <a@gmail.com>, JIM
 HOULIHAN <j@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain

Message 1


Message 2:

From: J H <j@hotmail.com>
To: A Y <h@gmail.com>, J R
 <p@san.rr.com>
CC: D L <rr@aol.com>, A Jet <a@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RMZ
Thread-Topic: RMZ
Thread-Index: AQHSf4L8p0xwnOKgE0qb8Xbx1AMmM6FajhGAgAAJHwCAAAOf8A==
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2017 16:29:21 +0000
Message-ID: <MWHPR06MB26721DA0CF059D605244CDAEAC410@MWHPR06MB2672.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <58964aca.0faa370a.645b7.50c3SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
 <CAM4SxfgGgTFBnfy6dQ6MjJFB=Cg5o62owAz+7TaVydeUwRXL0w@mail.gmail.com>
 <op.yu61x5jinwub7b@john-pc>,<CAM4Sxfj+NZjkO9sB=2a6dZN4Kgs3FF9-Q+7f+XyMYGkw3N9kXg@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAM4Sxfj+NZjkO9sB=2a6dZN4Kgs3FF9-Q+7f+XyMYGkw3N9kXg@mail.gmail.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: text/plain
MIME-Version: 1.0

Message 2


Message 3:

Content-Type: text/plain
To: "A Y" <h@gmail.com>
Cc: "D L" <rr@aol.com>, "A Jet" <a@gmail.com>,
 "J H" <j@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RMZ
References: <58964aca.0faa370a.645b7.50c3SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
 <CAM4SxfgGgTFBnfy6dQ6MjJFB=Cg5o62owAz+7TaVydeUwRXL0w@mail.gmail.com>
 <op.yu61x5jinwub7b@john-pc>
 <CAM4Sxfj+NZjkO9sB=2a6dZN4Kgs3FF9-Q+7f+XyMYGkw3N9kXg@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2017 10:21:04 -0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
From: aztec <p@san.rr.com>
Organization: aztec
Message-ID: <op.yu689etmnwub7b@john-pc>
In-Reply-To: <CAM4Sxfj+NZjkO9sB=2a6dZN4Kgs3FF9-Q+7f+XyMYGkw3N9kXg@mail.gmail.com>
User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (Win32)

Message 3

[arf8]

Thanks for looking into this,

Yes these are all incoming messages.

That must have been from the editor Notepad++ when i copied and paste. I have the original messages if you provide me with your email I can send them to you unedited to help further troubleshoot this.

What email would you like me to forward them to you direct?

Thanks

[mikeone]

Thanks for looking into this,

Yes these are all incoming messages.

That must have been from the editor Notepad++ when i copied and paste. I have the original messages if you provide me with your email I can send them to you unedited to help further troubleshoot this.

What email would you like me to forward them to you direct?

Thanks

You can send the original messages (please as attachments /. eml files) to support / at sign / aqua-mail / dot com .

[arf8]

sent

[Kostya Vasilyev]

@arf8

Sorry can't find it, even searched by your forum profile's email (I can see it others can't).

If it's not too much trouble, can you re-send to kmansoft / gmail / dot com?