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Finferlo

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Exchange Activesync !
« on: November 16, 2016, 06:48:46 pm »
Me again !
Now that Aquamail became a Mibisystems product, it can avail achieve synchronization of email exchange with activesync?

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Re: Exchange Activesync !
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2016, 06:58:28 am »
Why would that be better?  Aquamail already syncs with EWS, which has more features like shared calendars etc. The only issue is push,  which Aquamail has also worked around.

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Finferlo

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Re: Exchange Activesync !
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2016, 03:21:49 pm »
It is better because the work around that is used does not work with all servers.
There is'nt a total compatibility with Exchange.
The servers of large companies do not respond to "work around".
Aquamail who wants to be a professional software, can not matter Activesync

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Re: Exchange Activesync !
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2016, 04:35:27 pm »
It is better because the work around that is used does not work with all servers.
There is'nt a total compatibility with Exchange.
The servers of large companies do not respond to "work around".
Aquamail who wants to be a professional software, can not matter Activesync

I am sorry to say, but based on this description, your understanding of EWS and EAS appears to be very limited and not completely correct. EWS is actually a more capable protocol with richer functionality than that of EAS (Exchange ActiveSync) While EAS indeed has some advantages for mobile devices, it also has limitations.
Some examples include:
Search in Exchange ActiveSync is limited to a single string and a maximum of 200 results.
Exchange ActiveSync doesn’t support the Drafts folder.

For a more detailed comparison read MSDN article:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/dn144954(v=exchg.140).aspx#sectionSection3
Read "Reach" section in that article, where MS actually gives some information about use of both protocols.


PS. Here is an interesting account of some Exchange developer:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-EAS-Exchange-ActiveSync-and-EWS-Exchange-Web-Service-How-should-we-choose-between-them
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The Microsoft official EWS managed API is on github.  The EAS specifications are arcane and likely to make you have headaches. ...
I've worked extensively with both and I can throw together some functional EWS code in minutes, but EAS may take days.
If you had ever worked with MS products (many of which have awful documentation), hearing that, as a software developer or as a project manager, you'd want to avoid dealing with EAS at all costs.
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Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: Exchange Activesync !
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2016, 11:14:13 pm »
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The servers of large companies do not respond to "work around".

Nope, not true on several counts:

1 - It's not a "workaround", it's a very clever solution that's based on an official Microsoft technology and an official Google technology, and yet does not compromise on privacy.

2 - This is only an issue for "some" large companies, and only a small number. It's their decision, not mine.

3 - Those companies could as easily decide to block access from *any* mobile mail app, even ActiveSync based, if it's not "Outlook" or "Nine" (or some other small "whitelist"). And then we'd be back to square one.

4 - The number of affected users is about 3-5% based on what I've seen so far.

5 - It seems to be primarily Italian companies -- is there perhaps a popular book, translated into Italian, something like "Teach yourself Exchange server administration in 21 days" which has the recommendation to block "push subscriptions" because of "security reasons"?
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Finferlo

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Re: Exchange Activesync !
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2016, 11:34:35 pm »
German Company.. Not Italian!

Thanks

Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: Exchange Activesync !
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2016, 11:42:40 pm »
Sorry, so maybe it's a German book.

But still consider this:

- Someone spends several months implementing ActiveSync in AquaMail.

- You install this new version, you're happy

- The next day, it stops working again because:

... your company's IT department started blocking all email apps, ActiveSync or not, except Outlook ("the new corporate standard, signed off by Sr. Vice President for Corporate Security").
Creating debug logs for diagnostics: https://www.aqua-mail.com/troubleshooting/

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Re: Exchange Activesync !
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2017, 06:06:56 pm »
Hi,
I would like to add my experience.
Also my company started to use EAS and for this I can't use aqua - mail anymore with my account.

The reason they use EAS is that they now also have Sophos Mobile Control. This checks your device via an app. And only if your device is in line with the security policies the SMC proxy lets you access the EAS Email server.

You said you implemented an workaround. However I could not manage to get it working with that.
Outlook App on Android works, but sucks.

So in case you consider implementing EAS with ascending need, I might ask you to reconsider ;)

Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: Exchange Activesync !
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2017, 08:28:44 pm »
Re: The reason they use EAS is that they now also have Sophos Mobile Control.

If they're that "tight" about "corporate security" - they can easily block app email apps that are not on their "approved list".

So even if Aqua supported ActiveSync - there would still be a good chance it would be blocked.

EWS is an official, documented part of Exchange. There is nothing wrong with it.

But with a corporate mail account - your IT department can make your life as miserable as they want to, any time (for good reasons or course).
Creating debug logs for diagnostics: https://www.aqua-mail.com/troubleshooting/

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Finferlo

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Re: Exchange Activesync !
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2017, 10:02:14 pm »
Dear Kostya,
it is very difficult for me to contradict you. I love to die Aquamail and I have always appreciated your passion and respect for all those who wrote in the forum.

But on EAS (Activesync) we will never agree. I used ALL software that use Activesync and ALL have been accepted by my company's servers. All stock applications already installed by phones are accepted. Your consideration, considering the possibility of discriminating on one application or another. This is really very rare.

After YEARS I had to decide to use another software, which until recently was only accepted by Exchange and that you can also configure Imap accounts recently (maybe you understand what I'm talking about).

But I'm here, waiting for you to change your idea. I respect, but I do not agree.

So many wishes and congratulations Kostya !!

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Re: Exchange Activesync !
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2017, 01:02:09 am »
This whole argument seems a bit unnecessary.

As long as your company is happy doing what they're doing @Finferlo you're fine to continue as you are. It's just a shame you can't incorporate Aquamail into it.

wizzy

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Re: Exchange Activesync !
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2017, 01:59:03 pm »
Hi Kostya,
thank you for your reply.
Well my company could - for sure - block any app that they wouldn't like. However they use SMC for a totally different reason:
They use it so only "pre-authenticated" mobiles can access the email. It is kind of a permanent "2-factor" authentication.

As Finferlo pointed out, for me it holds too, that my company never discriminated an app. You are allowed to use stock android, apple stock, outlook. Whatever supports EAS. No regulation at all.

So I don't get your point in not supporting it. Sure they COULD discriminate other clients.
But the reality is: More and more companies will implement SMC, EAS and similar stuff to have an extra level of security, so that stealing the login credentials is not sufficient.

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arbit12

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Re: Exchange Activesync !
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2017, 03:31:30 pm »
Doesn't look like Sophos is incompatible with EWS.

Maybe check with your IT department?

https://community.sophos.com/kb/en-us/127137

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Re: Exchange Activesync !
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2018, 02:37:56 pm »
Hi,

Part-time exchange admin here.
I was googling if AquaMail would support EAS, and I guess it does not.

The reason for our company for using EAS is simple - security. AFAIK, you cannot lock or remote wipe a lost mobile device or enforce a security policy via EWS. I think this is quite common approach in Finland.

Based on limited time testing with AquaMail, it sure looks tempting alternative, but lack of EAS is no go for us.

Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: Exchange Activesync !
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2018, 03:27:29 pm »
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The reason for our company for using EAS is simple - security. AFAIK, you cannot lock or remote wipe a lost mobile device or enforce a security policy via EWS. I think this is quite common approach in Finland.

If you use Office 365 - you can do remote wipe (and much more!) by using Microsoft InTune (company portal).
Creating debug logs for diagnostics: https://www.aqua-mail.com/troubleshooting/

The official FAQ: https://www.aqua-mail.com/faq/

Лог-файлы для диагностики: https://www.aqua-mail.com/ru/troubleshooting/

Вопросы и ответы: https://www.aqua-mail.com/ru/faq/