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Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: Version 1.6.2-dev3.2 - "work in progress"
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2016, 11:39:53 pm »
This would be third way to search (I mean in the back-end code): 1) the current "full text search" 2) the current "headers search" and 3) this new "find by FROM only"

( although I think it would be useful to include CC / BCC here too )
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Re: Version 1.6.2-dev3.2 - "work in progress"
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2016, 11:45:24 pm »
I'm suggesting to keep the only swiping action called "Find by sender" in English, and transform its action to limit the search to FROM field.
That's all, without any other change ;)
This might be doable if starting from a blank sheet but the existing search function has been out there for awhile. Changing its focus would undoubted upset some while pleasing others. I happen to like the breadth of the current swipe search...although sometimes it doesn't exactly meet my need, just like any other type of 'canned' search.

A variation might be to include several different search options under 'swiping'. One might be a narrow version of 'Find by sender' encompassing only the FROM field while a second might have a broader focus. I think both have their place. Danger is if requests start rolling in for other variations. Not sure that would happen as long as a broader focus search remained. The search by sender is somewhat unique as it is a frequent point of interest in email.

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Re: Version 1.6.2-dev3.2 - "work in progress"
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2016, 11:48:47 pm »
re: although I think it would be useful to include CC / BCC here too

That would be 'search by recipient' which is different than 'search by sender'. The former should include TO/CC/BCC, the latter just FROM.

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Re: Version 1.6.2-dev3.2 - "work in progress"
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2016, 11:50:58 pm »
Re: That would be 'search by recipient' which is different than 'search by sender'. The former should include TO/CC/BCC, the latter just FROM.

Yes of course, but it's just not defined very well right now, esp. if you consider the translations.
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Re: Version 1.6.2-dev3.2 - "work in progress"
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2016, 11:53:51 pm »
re: esp. if you consider the translations

Dammit - we should all standardize on one language!! Some lost island variant that no one speaks so we all have the same learning curve. :)

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Re: Version 1.6.2-dev3.2 - "work in progress"
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2016, 11:55:18 pm »
Re: Dammit - we should all standardize on one language!

I humbly propose it should be *two* not one :)

Joking aside, the definition of "search by sender" is kind of fuzzy right now, is it really "sender" or "recipient" (anyone that a message was sent to, including CC / BCC).
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Re: Version 1.6.2-dev3.2 - "work in progress"
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2016, 12:06:44 am »
re: the definition of "search by sender" is kind of fuzzy right now, is it really "sender" or "recipient" (anyone that a message was sent to, including CC / BCC).

Maybe skip the translations and simply list the raw field names which I believe are standardized:
  - search by: FROM (sender)
  - search by: TO/CC/BCC (recipient)
  - search by: SUBJECT
  - search by: DATE (today)

Just throwing out ideas to see what sticks. Not proposing any of the above as 'must haves' and promise not to whine if none of it materializes. Did I mention how useful 'search by sender' would be ...

(Sorry...getting late. Begging off for awhile; will pick this up later if there are additional posts)

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Re: Version 1.6.2-dev3.2 - "work in progress"
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2016, 12:11:42 am »
I'm not opposed to the idea in general (of making search even more flexible, by "even more" I mean that even the current "full text" vs "headers only" seems quite useful to me).

However, I don't want to end up with a really messy UI, or with unexpected (from the existing users' point of view) changes.
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Re: Version 1.6.2-dev3.2 - "work in progress"
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2016, 12:16:11 am »
re: although I think it would be useful to include CC / BCC here too

That would be 'search by recipient' which is different than 'search by sender'. The former should include TO/CC/BCC, the latter just FROM.
Exactly, that's what I expect: "search by sender" limited to FROM field.

Dave:
Thanks for mentioning that 'search by sender' is a very useful feature.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2016, 12:24:17 am by mikeone »

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Re: Version 1.6.2-dev3.2 - "work in progress"
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2016, 12:18:05 am »
And "sender" vs. "recipients" is like I said kind of fuzzy if you consider the translations -- or even in one language, to me, the distinction is only there if I consciously think about it (but maybe that's just my pea sized brain).
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Re: Version 1.6.2-dev3.2 - "work in progress"
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2016, 12:23:35 am »
re: My personal "workaround" is to not move any Sent messages, can't imagine why I'd want to.

Heavens no! I'm simply filing completed conversations from the inbox which I use as a task list. In most (albeit not all) cases when I move the conversation into a folder the hidden 'sent' label gets crushed. Really a very natural thing to do. I raised this before but another voice stated they didn't want to see messages in the 'sent' folder once moved into a storage folder. To me 'sent' and 'all mail' are parallel views of existing folder trees. It should not be an either/or decision. I think there is a perception I am doing weird/wacky things that are one-offs of how real people manage their mail. Really not the case but whatever ...

Being that "another voice", I would chime in.
I don't know if your work flow is "one off" or not. (Actually, I suspect not that many people do like you do.) But in any case, I don't think you are doing something wrong. It is your work flow, - and you are trying to adapt the tools you are using to it. I understand that.
Unfortunately, the "standard" general-IMAP-based tools, such as Aquamail, are not designed to deal with Gmail peculiarities that you are used to rely on.
I perfectly understand your need to move messages from "Sent" to a specific folder with the rest of the conversation. I frequently do that too. And I do not understand why Kostya "can't imagine why I'd want to":
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My personal "workaround" is to not move any Sent messages, can't imagine why I'd want to.
So, in that regard, I think Kostya is wierd.  ;)
Moreover, I think everybody who uses Aquamail not the way I do is weird and wacky.   ;D 8)

In any case, I appreciate your reasonable attitude that includes listening to other opinions even when you disagree with them.


Now, back to your original question about the search (I understand how that would help in your workaround). Please, excuse my getting in the middle of the conversation, - but it seems to me that Kostya may have missed the actual problem you experience:

I do have a late request: any chance 'search headers' can be tweaked to handle sender email address (From: name <email>), specifically my email? At present it returns no results. If I switch to a full text search I get items I sent plus any forwards and replies that contain the target string.

From Kostya's post about headers search implementation, it looks like the header search should look for the "From:" field, but you are saying in your case it is not finding messages with you as the sender.
At first, that sounds strange. On another hand, the search for all sender/recipient headers for your address should return all messages, except those where your address was originally and Bcc:, and hence wouldn't show up at all, except for "Received" headers (which are not searched).
I just checked, - and seems to work in my case: it is not just the "From:"



So,  I see two ways how the fact that you don't get anything found can be explained:
1. you are making some typo.
2. the header search is not working on your server
3. Aquamail doesn't like You and Your e-mail address;)

I'd suggest you to try searching for some other, more simple header that is definitely there. (Try just the "user" portion of user@domain)


However, it seems to me that even if this search worked for you, it wouldn't help you, as it should find messages sent to you as well, as explained above.

PS. Oops...
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Warning - while you were typing 23 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Sorry, I have to go now, and don't have time to review, - so I'll leave the post as is.... even though all of this might have been discussed.


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Re: Version 1.6.2-dev3.2 - "work in progress"
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2016, 12:26:57 am »
Re: Moreover, I think everybody who uses Aquamail not the way I do is weird and wacky

That was *my* line!

Re: At present it returns no results.

Yes, I completely missed this and then the conversation moved in a different direction.

THANK YOU

So, Davey126, what *do* you do to make the server not find anything? :)
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Re: Version 1.6.2-dev3.2 - "work in progress"
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2016, 01:53:56 am »
So, Davey126, what *do* you do to make the server not find anything? :)

He's searching for "From: user@server" instead of "user@server"  ;)
You are right! Overspecification - that's what wana-be-geeks do. As a budding geek I tried to develop an equation describing the optimal curve for arcing the petrol hose to the fuel port on my first ride. Won't tell you where the nozel ended up but I decided to lay off the cigs for a few days. Sometimes eyeballing it is a better approach.:)

Tall tales aside, I did try different qualifiers and delimiters in an effort to narrow the search scope. Of course omitting these and just including the target string yields the expected results. Which doesn't produce what I am after: just the emails that I sent (or more generically outgoing mail).

Might be useful to reread post #2 in this thread for the rational behind this request. While searching for a specific sender or recipient is an interesting capability that might be appreciated by a wider audience, my immediate interest is confined to reapplying the hidden 'sent' label so these items appear in the appropriate folder. Baring that need the existing search capabilities which target multiple header fields would be adequate. I can always use the web client if more granularity is needed (although I always prefer to work from AquaMail!)
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Re: Version 1.6.2-dev3.2 - "work in progress"
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2016, 02:05:27 am »
@str - enjoyed your post along with the more personal comments :) :)

@str, @paris geek, @mikeone - one can always count on a thought provoking and productive conversation when posting in this forum! Converging/diverging/reconverging discourse is what brings people to a higher place. A lesson not yet learned by those who seek the sword first. Oh yes, @kostya can play along too. He's coming along nicely, don't you think?
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Re: Version 1.6.2-dev3.2 - "work in progress"
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2016, 04:02:54 pm »
I guess from my point of view, we can summarize it like this:

It would be desirable to have even more flexibility in searching, specifically to limit searches to FROM only.

And as @Davey126 already wrote above, there might then be other users who are interested in other narrowed-down cases (e.g. searching by SUBJECT only), so could this be done without turning the UI into some sort of monster?
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