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Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: 1.6.0-14-dev1.9 - conversation view / цепочки сообщений
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2015, 03:27:56 pm »
Re: Gmail

"Discard" what exactly is what I wonder about every time -- my most recent changes (since last save) or the draft completely?

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Re: 1.6.0-14-dev1.9 - conversation view / цепочки сообщений
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2015, 04:06:11 pm »
Re: Gmail

"Discard" what exactly is what I wonder about every time -- my most recent changes (since last save) or the draft completely?

If it was for the 'most recent changes', I'd expect it to be called Undo or Revert.  :P (but this doesn't exist in Gmail of course).

In Hotmail (as was mentioned before), it does say Delete (to discard the draft), but offers full context as the adjacent button says "Save Draft".


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Re: 1.6.0-14-dev1.9 - conversation view / цепочки сообщений
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2015, 04:37:27 pm »
Aqua also has a button for saving...
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Re: 1.6.0-14-dev1.9 - conversation view / цепочки сообщений
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2015, 04:41:23 pm »
@Iceman_jkf:
In AquaMail's Drafts editor it appears a window with three different options when using the "Back" button (instead of "Send" or "Save").

One of the offered options already is:" Discard changes"

If you want to delete a Draft in the message list (in Drafts folder) then "Delete" should be the correct wording, since you are removing a Draft which was already created and stored.
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Re: 1.6.0-14-dev1.9 - conversation view / цепочки сообщений
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2015, 04:46:42 pm »
Aqua also has a button for saving...
I know
But I feel that it's function is more obvious (I'm not sure what else it could mean), and the consequence of being incorrect (saving a draft vs. deleting an entire thread/email) is much less. Therefore I didn't have any issue.

I guess I'd be ok with delete, if it was 'delete draft'. No confusion then.
Yes, you could ask why I don't complain/suggest 'save draft' too, but it's because I can't think of any confusion it causes.

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Re: 1.6.0-14-dev1.9 - conversation view / цепочки сообщений
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2015, 04:51:39 pm »
@Iceman_jkf:
In AquaMail's Drafts editor it appears a window with three different options when using the "Back" button (instead of "Send" or "Save").

One of the offered options already is:" Discard changes"

If you want to delete a Draft in the message list (in Drafts folder) then "Delete" should be the correct wording, since you are removing a Draft which was already created and stored.
Interesting!

I can't seem to find that screen (when editing my drafts).

EDIT: OK, it only happens when backing out of a new/modified draft (not a previously saved, unmodified draft). Makes sense.

Strange that my preferred wording is used there, but not in the ... menu

And yes, I tend to agree that delete would be more correct in that instance (where a draft has been created/saved, rather than simply 'drafted') if one wanted to delete the entire draft email, rather than only discarding the recent changes to that draft.

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Re: 1.6.0-14-dev1.9 - conversation view / цепочки сообщений
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2015, 04:56:38 pm »
Re: I can't seem to find that screen (when editing my drafts).

In Soviet Russia, the screen finds you :)

It appears when you press Back and there are unsaved changes.

Gmail in this case just silently saves the draft (which I find annoying if I only got into reply by accident).
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Re: 1.6.0-14-dev1.9 - conversation view / цепочки сообщений
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2015, 04:57:23 pm »
... and if you are using the option "Delete" from the overflow menu within a "Replay draft" (without saving this draft before) you will see a window to confirm "Are you sure  you'd like to delete this message draft?"

In my opinion this wording is pretty much clearly...

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Re: 1.6.0-14-dev1.9 - conversation view / цепочки сообщений
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2015, 05:00:04 pm »
... and if you are using the option "Delete" from the overflow menu within a "Replay draft" (without saving this draft before) you will see a window to confirm "Are you sure  you'd like to delete this message draft?"

In my opinion this wording is pretty much clearly...
But some apps don't confirm. Luckily AM does, but I'd rather not learn the hard way

For instance, the "move to deleted" email option in AM doesn't confirm* (thankfully).


*AM probably gave me the option to set this how I wanted ... but I can't recall tbh.
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Re: 1.6.0-14-dev1.9 - conversation view / цепочки сообщений
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2015, 05:02:29 pm »
Re: For instance, the "move to deleted" email option in AM doesn't confirm (thankfully).

It does by default, you must have switched it off.
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Re: 1.6.0-14-dev1.9 - conversation view / цепочки сообщений
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2015, 05:10:34 pm »
But some apps don't confirm. Luckily AM does, but I'd rather not learn the hard way

For instance, the "move to deleted" email option in AM doesn't confirm (thankfully).

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Re: 1.6.0-14-dev1.9 - conversation view / цепочки сообщений
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2015, 05:14:34 pm »
Re: For instance, the "move to deleted" email option in AM doesn't confirm (thankfully).

It does by default, you must have switched it off.
Options are in Settings > Look and feel > "Confirm ..."

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Re: 1.6.0-14-dev1.9 - conversation view / цепочки сообщений
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2015, 05:24:01 pm »
@mikeone thank you for bringing the different drafting methods to my attention.

IMHO this illustrates my point a bit better:
1. BACKing out of a draft gives clear options (everyone's in agreement here).
2. Asserting that the "..., Delete" option discards a draft email is valid in the case of a new, first draft email.
3. Editing an existing draft (by going to Accounts, Drafts), then using "..., Delete" will NOT discard the recent changes however. It deletes the entire draft email. To discard the changes in this case, you must use the BACK out option.

I feel 2 and 3 are somewhat in conflict.

EDIT: Perhaps I should say, 2 and 3 are different and each has their place. Maybe "discard changes" can be added to the ... menu to provide users both options - this also gives context.

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Re: 1.6.0-14-dev1.9 - conversation view / цепочки сообщений
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2015, 09:39:33 pm »
This email client is simply perfect, if you try it, you need!
I would like the SMS integration like BlackBerry Hub, but I can work without. Kostya, you are the best and with this new development cycle, we have the confirm!


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Re: 1.6.0-14-dev1.9 - conversation view / цепочки сообщений
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2015, 10:04:27 pm »
This email client is simply perfect, if you try it, you need!
I would like the SMS integration like BlackBerry Hub, but I can work without. Kostya, you are the best and with this new development cycle, we have the confirm!
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