Author Topic: 1.6.0-14-dev1.7 - conversation view / группировка сообщений  (Read 10125 times)

mikeone

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"Weitergeleitet" isn't usual.

I can exhale now :)
8)
The common abbreviation in German is "WG" (= "Fwd").

Kostya Vasilyev

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I just check for 2 or three characters followed by ":" or "[one or two digits]:".

There can be some false positives, but it would be crazy to try and have a dictionary with all languages (even ones which the app isn't localized into).
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You are forgetting about people interacting across borders and languages.
How about things inserted by mailing lists, usually in square brakets and  matching those messages with the Sent message that don't have these prefixes?

 
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There can be some false positives, but it would be crazy to try and have a dictionary with all languages (even ones which the app isn't localized into).

Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: You are forgetting about people interacting across borders and languages

Am I?

I do it every day, sometimes even before breakfast.

Re: square brakets

Do you think anything between and including square brackets should be removed?

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StR

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Re: You are forgetting about people interacting across borders and languages

Am I?

I do it every day, sometimes even before breakfast.
I didn't doubt that, I was only responding to the statement quoted.

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Re: square brakets

Do you think anything between and including square brackets should be removed?
Not removed (for display purposes), but "yes", ignored for the analysis of "sameness".
Otherwise Messages in {Sent} wouldn't link to those received in response via the mailing list.

Just as an curious aside, the aforementioned RFC 5256 says:
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  Translations of the "re" or "fw"/"fwd" tokens are not specified for
   removal in the base subject extraction process.  An attempt to add
   such translated tokens would result in a geometrically complex, and
   ultimately unimplementable, task.

... I hope you are enjoying that process! :P

Kostya Vasilyev

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Nope, never heard of R: or I: -- I'm not Italian :)

Will do!
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StR

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It defeats the purpose: you don't know where you are within the conversation.  There was a thread in these forums that inspired this.

So we can keep option 2, where the user knows exactly where he/she is within the convesation, or replace it by option 4 or 5, where:

- the user knows exactly where he/she is within the conversation
- outside a conversation (single message), the user knows exactly where he/she is within the global message list (by swiping, all those messages can be reached).

See my new slide

It would make sense to have the logic as follows:

A: Message 2/3 in conversation (position: 2/6)
B: Message 4/6   or  Message in position 4/6

where "position" is the position in the messages list with all conversations collapsed.

So, it is "#2" in your latest figure (-dev1.7)

I agree, that it is hard to choose clear wording here.
In any case, - the comma in #2 of your picture should be removed (and also in #5).

And it is definitely not "rank" in English.  Row, Position are fine.



StR

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Re: comma

I know it is not in the app.
 I was just pointing out why your description could be more confusing than necessary.   ;)

Kostya Vasilyev

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I'm trying to avoid having to use words other than "message" and "conversation" (which are already in the app's vocabulary).

Those hints would properly need to be:

"Message list item X/Y (you know, the items in the message list you just came from, or would see if you used the Back button)"
"Oh, and item here may refer to a single message or a message group, expanded or not"
"The current message is grouped with some other message (not to be confused with "items" in the preceding paragraph"
"And within those grouped messages, this one is #Z / out of #Q total"

.... but that seems just a little too verbose :)
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