Author Topic: 1.6.0-14-dev1.4 - Conversation View / Группировка сообщений  (Read 25383 times)

mikeone

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Re: same vertical (blue) line on the left side - same as currently shown when the conversation is expanded

... which would make it really easy to mix up those two very different things (collapsed thread vs. expanded child).
Not really confusing for me, since an expanded thread is very noticeable marked by a wide (blue) bar on the top.

> The purpose of the modification should rather be to distinguish a Parent message of a thread from "normal" Single messages.
But that's only my personal opinion.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2015, 02:57:43 am by mikeone »

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Re: I would have made a slight offset of all the messages in the thread to the right

But all "child" items are offset (indented) by the blue bar on the left, which I just recently made thicker
While writing that previous posting, I looked at the app again, thinking how large the indent should be... And I still had not noticed the indent.
Just now, after reading your response, I looked again, and finally noticed it. So, from the legal point of view, yes, it is there... From the practical ...

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Re:  clear visual distinction of the collapsed threads from single messages

Perhaps the current count (white text on blue background) isn't very "in your face", but then Gmail's or "all other apps'" isn't either.

For example -- this is "the best Windows mail app":

http://www.emclient.com/blog/introducing-conversations-139

Same thing, numbers on a grey background.

I am open to making that background (where it shows how many "children" a message has) brighter, and also have plans to make this color settable (just like read/unread background, etc). Maybe with the setting in place, I won't need to change the default color.

Kostya, the point is not that much how the difference appears, but where. (I've noticed that you enhanced the contrast of that children-number indicator in this version.)
As I've written previously, - while I am quickly looking at the message list to see what messages might require my immediate attention (or any attention at all), I am looking at the left half (or even third) of the screen: That's where the senders (and the beginnings of the subjects) are. I am looking at the right half of the screen only if I need to figure out when actually the message arrived (if that is important for some reason).
Otherwise, I either look into the message of interest, or scroll further down.

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With "Sent messages in smart folder" ENABLED, you will see:

- All messages from incoming folders

- All messages from sent folders

- The linked messages will be shown as linked, but any sent messages not linked to any incoming message will be shown too.

( meaning if you just sent a brand new message and it doesn't link with any others, you'll see this just sent message too )

With "Sent in smart folder" DISABLED, you will see:

- If "across folders" is also disabled -> just all incoming messages, no sent.

- If "across folders" is enabled -> all incoming messages, and just those sent messages that are linked up to those incoming messages.

( This can be somewhat slow to load on low-end devices, btw )



This makes perfect sense... I just didn't fully understand the logic that you just explained... Thanks!!

mikeone

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Re: same vertical (blue) line on the left side - same as currently shown when the conversation is expanded

... which would make it really easy to mix up those two very different things (collapsed thread vs. expanded child).

> same vertical (blue) line on the left side - same as currently shown when the conversation is expanded
Not a good option - in my opinion :) for the same reason explained by Kostya.

I have a better (alternative) suggestion (after the color options are implemented, as I wrote in a previous post): use the icon to indicate that it's a conversation versus a single message:
- a blue line (square/round) around the icon
- a mix of inside messages icons
etc.
@Kostya,  @Paris Geek, @StR,
Well, I fully understand your arguments.

However, my (and StR"s) thoughts about the necessity for a better identification of "Parent messages" are slightly different:

1. There is always only one conversation expanded at the same time.
2. This one (expanded) conversation thread is clearly demarkated by a bride blue bar on the top of this conversation - including a message counter.
3. Expanding another conversation will automatically collaps the currently expanded conversation: the blue bar on the top and the blue lines on the left edge of each of these conversation messages are disappearing immediately.
4. Now, scrolling further (up or down) through the whole message list - as described by StR -, you will see only lots of (single) messages, no other (expanded) conversations.
5. Some of these messages are "Parent messages" of conversations, but the only (small) visual difference is the "Message counter" on the rught, which could be overlooked by the user:
> e. g.  if at least one message is selected the green "Floating Action bar" on the right side will hide the "Message counter" and the user is not able to see these counters... at least on a phone.
I agree with all of you that it is no need for a repositioning of the "number of children" indicator.

But, I agree with StR and I also vote for a more visual indicator for "Parent messages" on the left edge.

However,  Paris Geek's suggestion with a colored circle or square around the icons could be a good alternative to blue lines on the left edge.

I hope my description will clarify the background for this recommendation a little more.

Thanks in advance.

Mikeone
« Last Edit: November 08, 2015, 07:06:41 pm by mikeone »

StR

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Just in case: I am not suggesting to move the indicator. .

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Just in case: I am not suggesting to move the indicator. .
Yes, I know.
 None of us wanted a repositioning of this counter.
I just added this statement in my previous post... :)
« Last Edit: November 08, 2015, 07:08:06 pm by mikeone »

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Re: use the icon to indicate that it's a conversation

Yes, I might use a "combined" contact image, this should make grouped messages really stand out.
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Re: use the icon to indicate that it's a conversation

Yes, I might use a "combined" contact image, this should make grouped messages really stand out.
Thank you Kostya. That should be a good solution.

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We'll see how it works out...
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Re: use the icon to indicate that it's a conversation

Yes, I might use a "combined" contact image, this should make grouped messages really stand out.

If I understand correctly what you mean by the "contact image", - this would not be a complete solution.
Here is what I've written earlier:
"However, after seeing the snapshots posted by paras.desai, I see that what plays a bigger role in that case is those "chips", as the collapsed threads are missing the letter inside the "chip", and that is a distinctive feature. When the chips are disabled, there is nothing in the primary field of view (left portion of the screen) that can help to differentiate quickly."
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=4086.msg21637#msg21637

Any ideas for those who don't have a chip (on the screen or on the shoulder ;) )?

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Yes, I have read and (think) understood what you wrote.

What I'm having trouble understanding -- despite reading and re-reading -- is how is it possible to not see the "thread count" indicator on the right?

I'm not saying it in jest, and don't mean to imply that "the iPhone is fine, you're just holding it wrong".

Just something I honestly am having trouble understanding.
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What I'm having trouble understanding -- despite reading and re-reading -- is how is it possible to not see the "thread count" indicator on the right?
Kostya:
I tried to describe one case in my previous post under #5:
"> e. g. if at least one message is selected the green "Floating Action bar" on the right side will hide the "Message counter" and the user is not able to see these counters... at least on a phone."

http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=4097.msg21751#msg21751

See attached two screenshots to show the problem:
>> the user really can't find ANY difference on the left side of the screen...
« Last Edit: November 08, 2015, 09:04:38 pm by mikeone »

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Ah.

Interesting - when there are so many moving parts - how they interact!
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Hi Kostya, thanks for last update, I'm thinking could be appreciated the integration, optional, with Text message (SMS) like a simple account. I found this feature inside BlackBerry Hub, tested in my Android phone, no more to propose. The general speed and ergonomic is low.


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Are you proposing I write an SMS app?

Think I'd rather keep working on email -- there are dozens of SMS apps out there!
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