Author Topic: 1.6.0-14-dev1.4 - Conversation View / Группировка сообщений  (Read 25384 times)

mikeone

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Hi Kostya,
Thanks for implementing these new "Message counters" in message view. Very well done, as always.

However, I realized that the description of the "counters" are mixed up if you are in a message of a conversation:
> see 2nd screenshot
« Last Edit: November 07, 2015, 05:23:19 pm by mikeone »

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Smart folder:

Now that conversation view is implemented, I think it does not make sense to keep showing sent messages on smart folder (at least the ones that are part of a conversation). If I archive the last message received from a conversation (and take it out of smart folder) it does not make sense to keep the last conversation message sent there, in my opinion the whole conversation should be out.

Just a thought.

Thanks a lot for your work Kostya!!

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Ok thanks Mikeone,  got it

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It's implemented as a new option in Settings > Message view > "Show positions" (enabled by default)

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Re: Ok thanks Mikeone,  got it

I actually changed the wording last night for the "inside a conversation" case.

Re: Sent messages in Smart folder

There is a difference.

With "Sent messages in smart folder" ENABLED, you will see:

- All messages from incoming folders

- All messages from sent folders

- The linked messages will be shown as linked, but any sent messages not linked to any incoming message will be shown too.

( meaning if you just sent a brand new message and it doesn't link with any others, you'll see this just sent message too )

With "Sent in smart folder" DISABLED, you will see:

- If "across folders" is also disabled -> just all incoming messages, no sent.

- If "across folders" is enabled -> all incoming messages, and just those sent messages that are linked up to those incoming messages.

( This can be somewhat slow to load on low-end devices, btw )

So the difference is -- seeing all sent messages even if they're not linked up vs. seeing just the linked up sent messages.

And then it's down to individual preferences.
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http://www.aqua-mail.com/download/AquaMail-market-1.6.0-14-dev1.4.apk

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+ Please reindex conversations, settings -> message list -> conversation view, turn off and back on.

( this version will do a full rebuild, it is necessary )

+ Added "message position within the list" in message view. Settings -> message view to turn off.

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+ Необходимо пересчитать группировку, настройки - список сообщений, выключить группировку и включить обратно.

( эта версия выполнит полный пересчет данных, это необходимо )

+ Добавил отображение позиции письма в списке, при просмотре. Чтобы выключить, настройки - отображение сообщений.
Kostya,
Within a converssation I would appreciate to get an indication in the new "position line" to see in which folder the currently displayed message is stored.
> maybe just if "across folders" is enabled <
Thanks a lot for thinking about it.
Mikeone
« Last Edit: November 08, 2015, 01:13:47 am by mikeone »

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Kostya,
Thanks for implementing the thicker line and convo+message position bar for conversations, and for investigating+solving the conversation grouping issue I had ☺

Please consider the following feedback too:
1. Please make Convo+Message position bar also indicate if there are unread messages in a conversation. (Eg:  adopts the colour scheme used for unread subject, for "message x/y" text, or uses an * like folders do).
2. A user option to auto open the most recent msg in a convo group, when user taps on convo. I realise this might now act like gmail, but it's my preferred way... I've actually found myself tapping straight on the first msg in the convo group on multiple occasions (since convos came to AM), so it just seems like a workflow improver to me (and maybe others too).
3. Per-Account (including smart folder) settings for whether to use conversation mode or normal. I think that conversation is brilliant for smart folder (it gives a powerful way to summarize/group content), but (I think) I'd prefer to use normal mode within my specified account folders. Note: I'm just guessing here. I haven't yet needed to go back to my individual account folders thanks to smart folder
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@iceman_jkh - thank you for the feedback, I'll think about these.
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Re: Sent messages in Smart folder

Kostya,
I cannot speak for everybody, - but that logic makes perfect sense.
(That's exactly how I thought it should work when I read your previous postings mentioning this options.)

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Re: Sent messages in Smart folder

Kostya,
I cannot speak for everybody, - but that logic makes perfect sense.
(That's exactly how I thought it should work when I read your previous postings mentioning this options.)
I agree with that.

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Re: Sent messages in Smart folder

Kostya,
I cannot speak for everybody, - but that logic makes perfect sense.
(That's exactly how I thought it should work when I read your previous postings mentioning this options.)

Agreed too.

And great, clear explanation Kostya!

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Kostya,
Thanks for implementing the thicker line and convo+message position bar for conversations, and for investigating+solving the conversation grouping issue I had ☺

Ditto

I would still prefer if there was a clear visual distinction of the collapsed threads from single messages.

For the expanded view of the threads, I've been thinking this morning that I would have made a slight offset of all the messages in the thread to the right (e.g. by one symbol). This is even better indication of where the thread ends.
(Yes, you loose some real estate there, but it's only one character...)
It just helps to see the hierarchy...

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2. A user option to auto open the most recent msg in a convo group, when user taps on convo. I realise this might now act like gmail, but it's my preferred way... I've actually found myself tapping straight on the first msg in the convo group on multiple occasions (since convos came to AM), so it just seems like a workflow improver to me (and maybe others too).

Please, only as an option... I personally wouldn't want AM going to any message when I expand the collapsed thread.

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3. Per-Account (including smart folder) settings for whether to use conversation mode or normal. I think that conversation is brilliant for smart folder (it gives a powerful way to summarize/group content), but (I think) I'd prefer to use normal mode within my specified account folders. Note: I'm just guessing here. I haven't yet needed to go back to my individual account folders thanks to smart folder

I am not using the smart folder, but the thought of having per-account configurations for threading has crossed my mind a few times. I am still not sure if I need it or not... So far, with the conversation view enabled, I haven't encountered anything that would bother me or hinder the workflow (except that visual differentiation of the collapsed threads from the individual messages). If that remains the same, I would have no reason to disable it (the conversation view) even for the accounts where I wouldn't benefit from it.


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Re: the thought of having per-account configurations for threading has crossed my mind a few times. I am still not sure if I need it or not

Let's wait until it's clear that this is needed.

Re: I would have made a slight offset of all the messages in the thread to the right

But all "child" items are offset (indented) by the blue bar on the left, which I just recently made thicker

Re:  clear visual distinction of the collapsed threads from single messages

Perhaps the current count (white text on blue background) isn't very "in your face", but then Gmail's or "all other apps'" isn't either.

For example -- this is "the best Windows mail app":

http://www.emclient.com/blog/introducing-conversations-139

Same thing, numbers on a grey background.

I am open to making that background (where it shows how many "children" a message has) brighter, and also have plans to make this color settable (just like read/unread background, etc). Maybe with the setting in place, I won't need to change the default color.

Re: user option to auto open the most recent msg in a convo group, when user taps on convo

This one makes sense to me -- just like there is now a setting to open an account's Inbox (from account list) rather than expand to show its folder list.
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Re:  clear visual distinction of the collapsed threads from single messages

Perhaps the current count (white text on blue background) isn't very "in your face", but then Gmail's or "all other apps'" isn't either.

For example -- this is "the best Windows mail app":

http://www.emclient.com/blog/introducing-conversations-139

Same thing, numbers on a grey background.

I am open to making that background (where it shows how many "children" a message has) brighter, and also have plans to make this color settable (just like read/unread background, etc). Maybe with the setting in place, I won't need to change the default color.
Kostya:
My suggestion is to just mark these "parent messages" with the same vertical (blue) line on the left side - same as currently shown for an expanded conversation.
> unique view compared to other apps  8)
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Re: same vertical (blue) line on the left side - same as currently shown when the conversation is expanded

... which would make it really easy to mix up those two very different things (collapsed thread vs. expanded child).
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