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Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: Opinions wanted: new feature vs. app size
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2015, 10:51:51 pm »
I'm almost done with the better image resizing UI (the compose window).
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Re: Opinions wanted: new feature vs. app size
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2015, 11:50:46 pm »
That looks great. 
Better solution (estimated size in AquaMail) than this one (resolution in Threema):
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Re: Opinions wanted: new feature vs. app size
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2015, 12:18:46 am »
In AquaMail it's also driven by image sizes, original vs. size "buckets" (max. 2048 / 1280 / 768)...

...but the dialog gives you size *estimates* so you can decide.

Oh and by the way, "large" is really the only one anybody would need --

1 - big size reduction relative to typical camera rez (8, 12, 16 Mpx)
2 - still large enough even for FullHD displays / TVs

But the "medium" and "small" will stay just in case...
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Re: Opinions wanted: new feature vs. app size
« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2015, 02:12:10 am »
In AquaMail it's also driven by image sizes, original vs. size "buckets" (max. 2048 / 1280 / 768)...

...but the dialog gives you size *estimates* so you can decide.

I agree with the idea mikeone (if I understood him correctly), - that was my own reaction as well, but let me rephrase his suggestion.
I'd say that maybe showing explicitly (even if in a smaller font under each option), - the images sizes in pixel, in addition to the estimated sizes in bytes would be helpful.  Maybe those sizes should replace the words "small", "medium", large"?
I.e. 
Shrink images
- Do not shrink (17MB)
- 2048x??? ( ~ 2.5 MB)
- 1280x768 (~ 0.99MB)
- 800x600 ( ~ 364KB)
or
Shrink images
- Do not shrink (17MB)
- Large, 2048x??? ( ~ 2.5 MB)
- Medium, 1280x768 (~ 0.99MB)
- Small, 800x600 ( ~ 364KB)

I remember your arguments that not mentioning those explicitly helps to be able to change them later. But when I am sending my images (resizing with QuickPic), - I am choosing the options based on (1) the intent (e.g. to be able to see the detail "A", but just on the desktop monitor -> 1280x768/1024x768) and on (2) my connectivity (e.g. I am in Argentina with extremely limited and expensive traffic allowance, but just need to pass the overall view of an item ASAP -> 800x600 or 640x400). So, knowing the size in pixels helps (1), knowing the estimates size somewhat helps (2).

But I haven't seen the -6 build yet, so, maybe you've already implemented that...

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Oh and by the way, "large" is really the only one anybody would need --

1 - big size reduction relative to typical camera rez (8, 12, 16 Mpx)
2 - still large enough even for FullHD displays / TVs

But the "medium" and "small" will stay just in case...

 Great! The smaller ones can be handy for the reason (2) above.

PS. And I like the implementation of this feature, - so it is growing on me. My previous doubts of how much I'd use it myself are melting: in some situations, especially for very quick mailing, it will be more convenient than to use QuickPic.
However, if possible, please still keep QuickPic option available: it allows cropping the image in addition to resizing.
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Re: Opinions wanted: new feature vs. app size
« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2015, 02:15:46 am »
@StR -- given that you are one of the privileged few, and *know* the exact size buckets ( 2048 / 1280 / 768 at the time, but ssshhh!), is this really necessary?

Just to summarize / simplify things:

- Large is the only one "truly good enough" for any desktop monitor (ignoring the not so common yet 4K ones), so use that if necessary, and the (byte) sizes are acceptable

- Medium and small may not be optimal for "big" computer viewing, so use them if your connectivity is slow / expensive.
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Re: Opinions wanted: new feature vs. app size
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2015, 05:21:52 am »
@StR -- given that you are one of the privileged few, and *know* the exact size buckets ( 2048 / 1280 / 768 at the time, but ssshhh!), is this really necessary?

If that wasn't a rhetoric question, my opinion, - yes, people appreciate knowing it, and most apps that resize images show the size in pixels. So, many users expect it that way even if some might not really understand how to use that information.
 Besides, even if the sender him/herself doesn't know the difference, those who ask them to choose the "right" option, get frustrated when the options are not labeled.

- Next time, could you please send those photos reduced in size?
- ...
- ...
- What option should I use: Large, medium, small?
- What's that in pixels?
- I don't know, it doesn't really say anywhere...
- Argh!...    And you told me your mail program is cool? #$%^&!  ...   Any self-respecting program that does image resizing should say what those sizes are... (even if it doesn't save .eml)
 8)


BTW, as for various ways of using things: So far, I haven't sent from my phone any resized image larger than 1280-ish. But I am very untypical in this regard.

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Re: Opinions wanted: new feature vs. app size
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2015, 10:14:34 pm »
"Any self-respecting mail app"

"What is the size in pixels".

I'll bet you dollars to donuts that ordinary users don't know what those pixel things mean.

"I thought you said that your mail app was cool, what is that, 2048, oh, I remember, it's a puzzle game, wtf?"

And let's not forget Apple, well known for their elegantly polished interfaces.

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Re: Opinions wanted: new feature vs. app size
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2015, 11:34:04 pm »
Kostya, I agree with you in regards to how much an "ordinary" user knows.
I made my suggestion and provided my arguments. It's your decision what you choose for your app.


But since you mentioned it, I've been wondering for a while: do you have some idea about the percentage of "ordinary" users and "geeky" users [whichever way that is defined (^)]  among Aquamail users? I wonder if those are quite different from the corresponding ratio for all Android users.

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(^) including the users who have limited technical understanding but think they are geeky.

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Re: Opinions wanted: new feature vs. app size
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2015, 11:37:07 pm »
No, I don't know.

I do know that

1) this forum's regulars are very technical, not necessarily software developers or hardware architects, but whose brains work well with technical concepts.

2) right now, I'm teaching someone (over email) about his Samsung's Menu button and how to press it to bring up the menu.

A vast distance there.
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Re: Opinions wanted: new feature vs. app size
« Reply #39 on: September 02, 2015, 04:58:15 pm »
conversation view pls........

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Re: Opinions wanted: new feature vs. app size
« Reply #41 on: September 02, 2015, 08:22:41 pm »
@qwerty1q:
"Sometimes" using the forum's search function could make sense ...   8)
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Re: Opinions wanted: new feature vs. app size
« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2015, 12:08:38 am »
Dear Kostya,

I have a following suggestion: please use uservoice.com for user suggestions and feature requests!

Right now, user suggestions for Aquamail are not handled properly. The feature request forum is closed (read-only), since July 2014. You ask users for their feedback only on an  ad-hoc basis (this thread).

In short, here is what uservoice.com can do for you as a developer, and for us users:
- we can post our suggestions (you can also post suggestions)
- you can easily rate (categorize) user suggestions (working on it / planned / completed / declined)
- both you and us can post comments (just like in this forum)
- users can vote for suggestions, so you can prioritise between requests / suggestions

If you want to see how it works in practice, here is an example:

outlook.uservoice.com/forums/293346-outlook-for-android

I know, uservoice.com is not for free ($15/month). But i believe it is worth the money.

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Re: Opinions wanted: new feature vs. app size
« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2015, 12:18:14 am »
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=3873.msg20067#msg20067 [nofollow]

Dear Kostya,

I have a following suggestion: please use uservoice.com for user suggestions and feature requests!

Right now, user suggestions for Aquamail are not handled properly. The feature request forum is closed (read-only), since July 2014. You ask users for their feedback only on an  ad-hoc basis (this thread).

In short, here is what uservoice.com can do for you as a developer, and for us users:
- we can post our suggestions (you can also post suggestions)
- you can easily rate (categorize) user suggestions (working on it / planned / completed / declined)
- both you and us can post comments (just like in this forum)
- users can vote for suggestions, so you can prioritise between requests / suggestions

If you want to see how it works in practice, here is an example:

outlook.uservoice.com/forums/293346-outlook-for-android

I know, uservoice.com is not for free ($15/month). But i believe it is worth the money.

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Re: Opinions wanted: new feature vs. app size
« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2015, 10:56:26 am »
RavenSoft:
Thanks for the link to Kostya's statement. It's truly clear and reasonable.. 
Mikeone