Author Topic: EWS or IMAP push?  (Read 19999 times)

Daan1976

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Re: EWS or IMAP push?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2014, 07:29:44 pm »

Exchange / EWS support in Aqua is fairly new (added in most recent public release), and there is no push for EWS yet. Sorry.

IMAP is a different type of network protocol -- used by Internet mail providers. Aqua supports push for IMAP (when the server supports it too -- it's optional).

Technically, Exchange does support IMAP (if enabled by the server admin), and Aqua can work with it, and utilize push, but...

...you'd lose Aqua's feature to access server side contacts and saving of accepted meeting invites to the server.

Again, my apologies for lack of push for Exchange. I plan to do more work on Exchange after a few other tasks (also based on user requests).
I've got to say, seeing EWS push still not started after a year and a half tells us you're not interested in making this app any good.

You seem to be trying hard, but you keep ignoring this essential feature and focusing on some pretty minor tweaks considering this major omission. Why not get the basics in first--sending and receiving email--before tackling the other features?

There's just no argument against this being essential, considering MS exchange has a 51% market share in business email accounts! Why are you writing off so many potential users?

Your response that you are prioritizing "based on user requests" is missing the point. Think about it--your "users" are the small demographic who aren't interested in EWS support, because those who do want it delete the app once they see it doesn't work. You're fine-tuning the sandbox with a small userbase, when you could have a giant playground that everyone wants to use. A business that only does what its users ask is destined to fail...

Indeed, if you code an email app, you first take care that the basic functions works (that al kind of emails can send & received!!) before you are going to implement all sorts of side "nice to have" functions.... for instance: colours and languages !
I do not criticize your work, the app is a nearly good emailapp but the missing EWS functionality is for me a nogo at the moment and look with a left eye to the EWS implementation of Aquamail.

 
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Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: EWS or IMAP push?
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2014, 11:01:32 pm »
@Daan - yes, I understand that different users have different needs / priorities.
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Re: EWS or IMAP push?
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2014, 03:15:34 pm »
Push mail will be nice option on EWS, but it is not essential. Any one can setup check mail on every one minute if they need.

Personally I eagerly await this option implemented, and if you need beta tester please contact me.

Harr2969

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Re: EWS or IMAP push?
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2014, 04:42:16 pm »
Kostya, thanks for consistently accepting and replying to feedback. I would note in the meantime (without ews push and Cal sync) I left calendar sync enabled through the native client, but I read/process the mail in aquamail, even though I don't get the email pushes.

I'm looking forward to the native support for calendar and ews push.
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daveway

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Re: EWS or IMAP push?
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2014, 01:42:28 am »
Hi - just wondering if PUSH EWS is at least on the roadmap for this year.  I have 5 Exchange accounts from different vendors/employers, and I LOVE the Smart Folder, coloring for accounts, and all the many features available.  There are some things I wish were this way or that way, but the biggest thing really is the PUSH for EWS; as getting emails in a timely manner is important for me.
I realize I could set it for 1 min, but that also drains my battery way too much.

So just adding my query - This year still?  Are we looking at early next year maybe?  Is it on the roadmap? :)

thanks so much for a great app!

AdamHLG

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Re: EWS or IMAP push?
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2014, 09:30:30 pm »
I have a question.  I am on Exchange Server 2010 and EWS is working properly and syncing every 15 min.  I too want push EWS but purchased the product nonetheless (because its awesome - thank you).

I implemented IMAP4 on my server on an assumption:  If I select "IMAP PUSH" in the settings, will I get push e-mail along with all the other benefits of EWS such as contact look up, etc?  In other words, I am assuming that the notification icon will light up based on the "push" via IMAP and whenever there is a "push" via IMAP the app will download the email so I can read it immediately - all while retaining the benefits of EWS.  This would be the ultimate work around in my mind - but is this how its supposed to work?

I ask because, despite implementing IMAP4 on my server, I am not getting push from IMAP.  HOWEVER, I am working with my IT guys to figure out what might be an IMAP problem.  Using the Microsoft Remote Connectivity Analyzer (tried to post a link but cant - if you Google it you will see the tool) I get an error.  I can reach my IMAP host server, but it ultimately fails in the "Testing the SSL certificate to make sure its valid" stage and ultimately at "the certificate trust is currently being validated"...... "the certificate chain couldn't be built".  Would this cause the aqua mail app to not get the "push"?

What i am ultimately trying to determine is whether my assumption on how the app should work is correct, i.e., whether IMAP & EWS can or do work together.  If I am correct, I will keep progressing the issue with my IT guy to get 'push' working.  If I am incorrect in my assumption, I am chasing my tail so i will just stop and wait for push EWS.

Thank you!   

   

Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: EWS or IMAP push?
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2014, 01:25:01 am »
IMAP and EWS are completely unrelated, different, mail protocols (ways for a mail app to connect to a mail server).

IMAP does not provide access to contacts, that's specific to EWS.

Don't have anything to say about those messages -- but if the server uses "self-signed" SSL certificates, then you'll want to select "SSL (accept any)" in the server settings in Aqua.

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AdamHLG

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Re: EWS or IMAP push?
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2014, 01:47:58 am »
OK.  I believe I understand.  It was confusing to me because there is an option in settings to get push via IMAP and I am already connected via EWS.  I had thought that by selecting that option, IMAP would take care of the pushing.  However, that setting really has no application if we are already connected by EWS.  What you are saying is that if, and only if, we are connected via IMAP, that setting would turn on and off pushing.

Thanks.     

 

Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: EWS or IMAP push?
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2014, 11:42:54 am »
EWS is one way to connect to mail servers.

IMAP is another.

POP3 is yet another.

Any given account will use only one of those (I'm leaving sending out of this...)
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Re: EWS or IMAP push?
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2014, 06:47:43 pm »
Thanks.  All makes sense now.  I uninstalled and re-installed and was prompted to pick the route I wish to take, i.e., EWS or IMAP, POP, etc.  I had thought that maybe a clever work-around to EWS push was to use the IMAP push capability to 'signal' EWS to download new messages.

Anyway - thanks.  Great app.  Great work.

Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: EWS or IMAP push?
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2014, 02:57:25 pm »
Well, sooner or later I *will* get to working to EWS push -- it's just that Google threw *three* things at me:

Material Design, OAUTH requirement in Gmail, and Android Wear -- and all of them have to be addressed :)
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Re: EWS or IMAP push?
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2015, 03:17:48 pm »
I know it's very common question and you have to be bored with it for sure but i'll ask any way...
Is there any plans of implement push in EWS in the near future? Is there also plans for out of office msg for exchange?
Thank you for brilliant app!


P.S. ok I found newer thread about this, sorry :)
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Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: EWS or IMAP push?
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2015, 04:02:11 pm »
I am working on "moar Exchange stuff" right now, but decided to do calendar sync first.

As for push, yes, please give your opinion on the other thread about "cloud assisted" push implementation.
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