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gpl

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Spam, delete
« on: March 30, 2014, 06:38:10 pm »
In earlier times I used another very good email app - maildroid. Until it became unstable and was breaking down all the time... The best thing about maildroid was its Spam mechanism: You had to subscribe to it - about 6$ a year and then mail marked once as spam was banned to a Spam folder.

While Aquamial is stable, I have the feeling, that putting mail into the Spam folder makes no difference to mail placed into the delete folder. Is this so? Or is the Spam I get every day simply so smart that Auqamail's Spam algorithm has no chance ;).
Or have the Spam and delete folders only some kind of sort function?
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Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: Spam, delete
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2014, 09:01:03 pm »
Well, Aqua does not have its own spam filtering, like Mail Droid does. Sorry.

It does move messages into the server side Spam folder, with the idea being that the mail server's spam filter can learn from that.

Whether it actually does depends on the actual mail server.
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Re: Spam, delete
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2015, 11:03:54 am »
I found this aging thread on the topic of spam filtering.  I would suggest having this as a feature of the PRO version. I think you'd sell more of them.

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Re: Spam, delete
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2015, 06:58:47 pm »
In my opinion, spam detection and filtering should not be done on the client side, - only on the server side, as the mail enters the server, before it is distributed to the user mailbox.

This way you avoid conflict between different clients, etc. (Imagine: Thunderbird, Aquamail, etc. are trying to figure out what is and what is not a spam, and at the same time... That's prone to race conditions, confusion, in short a recipe for a mess.)

... and that prevents bloating of the mail client.


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Re: Spam, delete
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2015, 11:43:41 pm »
In my opinion, spam detection and filtering should not be done on the client side, - only on the server side, as the mail enters the server, before it is distributed to the user mailbox.

This way you avoid conflict between different clients, etc. (Imagine: Thunderbird, Aquamail, etc. are trying to figure out what is and what is not a spam, and at the same time... That's prone to race conditions, confusion, in short a recipe for a mess.)

... and that prevents bloating of the mail client.

+1
I completely agree.

Also agreed

Kostya Vasilyev

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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2015, 11:00:27 pm »
One more thing: a server side spam filter can learn from millions of accounts (or has Gmail reached one billion yet?)

Even smaller mail services can learn from tens of thousands of accounts, and that's a heck of a lot better than learning from one.

Not to mention that people who work on these (the larger mail services, as well as ISP oriented and hosting oriented solutions ) actually know something about these things, and I don't.
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Re: Spam, delete
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2016, 09:10:34 pm »
All true.
But a lot of people would still like to have some kind of spam filter on Aquamail because we don't all have good enough server filters.
Why not please those of us in that less fortunate situation? Those who are lucky enough to have good spam filters can use them. For the others, it would make a great app even better!

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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2016, 09:22:01 pm »
Yes, I agree that there is about a bazillion things I could add to AquaMail.

Maybe a gazillion even.
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Re: Spam, delete
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2016, 09:25:24 pm »
Yes, I agree that there is about a bazillion things I could add to AquaMail.

Maybe a gazillion even.

 ;D ;D 8)

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2016, 09:33:48 pm »
Oh, by the way, @mikeone

Remember the issue with messages replied in @web.de web mail?

Two "show quote" blocks when there should only be one?

Because @web.de makes it like that, a "blockquote cite" around the "who wrote what" and another one around the actual quoted text?

I added a workaround in the just posted -dev1.8
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Re: Spam, delete
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2016, 10:06:28 pm »
Oh, by the way, @mikeone

Remember the issue with messages replied in @web.de web mail?

Two "show quote" blocks when there should only be one?

Because @web.de makes it like that, a "blockquote cite" around the "who wrote what" and another one around the actual quoted text?

I added a workaround in the just posted -dev1.8
... uuh, yes I remember that quote thing.
Thank you very much for following up in this matter..

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Re: Spam, delete
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2016, 07:23:12 pm »
Is it possible for Aquamail to remember the email addresses that I already put it in spam folder, so next time I received an email from the same address to be automatically categorized as spam?
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Re: Spam, delete
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2016, 08:06:17 pm »
I know that it's possible from desktop, but would be great to have same options right in the phone
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2016, 09:57:17 am »
Why doing it twice?

It's not a problem related to "desktop" or "phone".

It's related to the "server". Let the server do this job. Once. And you see the result on desktop AND phone.

Kostya Vasilyev

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Re: Spam, delete
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2016, 03:34:49 pm »
When you move a message to Spam in AquaMail, the message gets moved to the Spam folder on the server.

What happens then, if this has any effect on this particular mail provider's spam filtering, is up to said mail provider / service.

IMAP does not have a standard way to mark a message to spam, so this "move to spam folder" is the only thing there is.

On the other hand, most if not all mail providers these days have their own spam filters, so it would only make sense for those to also learn from the user moving messages to spam via an email app.

This applies to all mail apps that don't implement filtering themselves.



That being said, if you're looking to filter out a few specific senders, it's possible to set up an explicit filter in most mail provider's web mails (web sites).

For Gmail, that's here:

https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#settings/filters

It even has a list of "blocked addresses" there.
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