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English - Android => Development builds => Topic started by: Radoslav Stoyanov on February 09, 2021, 04:20:58 pm
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https://www.aqua-mail.com/download/AquaMail-market-1.28.0-1752-stable-024ff0a46.apk
Hi all,
The update is currently visible from 20% of all devices, randomly picked by Google.
In this version of Aqua Mail we:
+ Designed our own file picker allowing users for quicker and easier way to attach files.
+ Added a Save as PDF functionality according to popular user demand.
+ Fixed a few bugs and improved app performance.
As the File Picker is a new feature, we'd appreciate all feedback that we can receive for it. :)
В этой версии Aqua Mail мы:
+ Разработали собственный сборщик файлов, позволяющий пользователям быстрее и проще прикреплять файлы.
+ Добавили функцию сохранения в формате PDF в соответствии с популярными запросами пользователей.
+ Исправили несколько ошибок и улучшили производительность приложения.
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Hi, thanks. Feedback for File Picker:
It works. But it's not easier. There is no folder structure.
I usually send documents (e.g. pdf and other) by mail. Now it's a step more, I always have to tap the system file picker.
Is there an option to get the system file picker immediately without need to tap once more?
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Hi, thanks. Feedback for File Picker:
It works. But it's not easier. There is no folder structure.
I usually send documents (e.g. pdf and other) by mail. Now it's a step more, I always have to tap the system file picker.
Is there an option to get the system file picker immediately without need to tap once more?
Hey Justin, thanks for the feedback. :) Yes, there is no folder structure because of the way Android 11 will work with the Scoped Storage functionality that Google began to implement with Android 10. One of the biggest user-facing changes is removing access to the "Android/data" folder, blocking all apps (including file managers) from accessing any data within it. AquaMail will only be able to access the files that the app has created/saved. You can read more about the topic here: https://www.raywenderlich.com/9577211-scoped-storage-in-android-10-getting-started
Best regards,
Radoslav
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This limitation is awkward for a mail client. ???
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Thanks.
AquaMail will only be able to access the files that the app has created/saved. You can read more about the topic here: https://www.raywenderlich.com/9577211-scoped-storage-in-android-10-getting-started
That is why apps get permission to access the entire internal memory (except Android/data/) upon request to Google. This is true for all file managers, gallery apps etc.
By the way, many file managers meanwhile can bypass the restrictions on /Android/data/ and access it with read and write permission. MiXplorer, Solid Explorer, Total Commander, X-Plore File Manager etc.
If an app cannot access the internal memory, it should leave the file picker to the system. That's the concept.
Ok, you didn't want to do that. So then again my kind request:
Is it possible to include an option that the user can directly use the system file picker? At the moment it is very cumbersome.
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Hi Justin,
Your request is noted and, as always, if we get enough users requesting the same, we look into providing a solution.
Some file explorer apps can still access everything, but this is only a temporary solution. Once these apps start preparing for Android 11, this temporary storage permission will no longer be available. At least that's what the documentation says:
https://developer.android.com/training/data-storage/use-cases#opt-out-scoped-storage
You can check the explanation on Special App Access, available in the Android Developers channel about file manager apps:
https://youtu.be/UnJ3amzJM94?t=1259
In Google’s own words it’s something that will be enforced, so it will become mandatory (Scoped storage enforcement):
"Apps that run on Android 11 but target Android 10 (API level 29) can still request the requestLegacyExternalStorage attribute. This flag allows apps to temporarily opt out of the changes associated with scoped storage, such as granting access to different directories and different types of media files. After you update your app to target Android 11, the system ignores the requestLegacyExternalStorage flag."
https://developer.android.com/about/versions/11/privacy/storage#scoped-storage
This is a limitation that Google have decided to impose. In addition to that file manager apps will probably have to go through some process (I imagine a very easy one) of being approved by Google in order to gain full access to the storage. Note that this is simply subject to my own speculation for now.
By the way, there are literally hundreds of requests in Android’s issue tracker. Most requests asking for a more adequate behavior towards accessing the storage are closed as “Won’t Fix (Intended behavior)”:
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/131947381
“Request: don't kill storage permission and File API and don't harm file manager apps in any way”:
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/129629193
“User should be able to choose any of these paths”:
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/160577049
“Scoped storage should add "Documents”:
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/128646855
And something I just noticed… Clipboard access is also going to be limited:
https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/01/26/here-are-11-features-that-need-to-be-in-android-11/
Thanks for staying vigilant and sharing your thoughts!
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Thank you. Of course I don't expect AquaMail to behave like a file manager.
But I need the folder structure and I don't think I'm the only one who needs it. You wanted it to make it easier, that fits e.g. to WhatsApp. Users of WhatsApp just send the last used pic or last used other file.
E-Mail is different, attachments are often in subfolders or in a cloud storage. This is a job for system file picker or a file manager. One tap less - as an option - for every attachment would be helpful .
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E-Mail is different, attachments are often in subfolders or in a cloud storage. This is a job for system file picker or a file manager. One tap less - as an option - for every attachment would be helpful .
+1
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Thank you. Of course I don't expect AquaMail to behave like a file manager.
But I need the folder structure and I don't think I'm the only one who needs it. You wanted it to make it easier, that fits e.g. to WhatsApp. Users of WhatsApp just send the last used pic or last used other file.
E-Mail is different, attachments are often in subfolders or in a cloud storage. This is a job for system file picker or a file manager. One tap less - as an option - for every attachment would be helpful .
Totally agree!
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If it's clear that Google started with Android 10 to remove or at least severely restrict access to the file system for third party apps (including file managers), then I don't understand why MobiSystems is trying to develop its own file picker right now, instead of investing their limited resources in more useful features.
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If it's clear that Google started with Android 10 to remove or at least severely restrict access to the file system for third party apps (including file managers), then I don't understand why MobiSystems is trying to develop its own file picker right now, instead of investing their limited resources in more useful features.
I think to sell us their file manager... ;) ;) ;) and I hope that I'm wrong
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File picker is unnecessary and useless as it adds more steps compared to what was working prior. Remove it or give users the option to disable it.
Downgraded back to older version!
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Radoslav
File picker is totally useless, you added more steps to attach a file. Please remove it. Thanks
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Radoslav
File picker is totally useless, you added more steps to attach a file. Please remove it. Thanks
I disagree. I think it makes it much easier in picking the recently created document or file. However, I do agree that there should be an option to disable it for those who like the old method.
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I disagree. I think it makes it much easier in picking the recently created document or file.
Usually system file picker show recently used files, too. There is no advantage with AquaMail's file picker.
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I disagree. I think it makes it much easier in picking the recently created document or file.
Usually system file picker show recently used files, too. There is no advantage with AquaMail's file picker.
Exactly
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Downgraded back to older version!
I'm still with build 1.27.0-1695
8)
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Can't blame you one bit. They keep adding these useless features instead of adding something that could be used like notification per your contact which was request over and over.
That speech to text was the most dumbest thing I've ever seen them add. I can't imagine a single person is actually using that option.
Then they screw around with analytics in the background turning it on Even though users set it to off.
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Can't blame you one bit. They keep adding these useless features instead of adding something that could be used like notification per your contact which was request over and over.
That speech to text was the most dumbest thing I've ever seen them add. I can't imagine a single person is actually using that option.
Then they screw around with analytics in the background turning it on Even though users set it to off.
What is "notification per your contact" and what's it's point?
I have no issue with the file picker and I like it better then the Android file picker. The text to speech is helpful for the impaired and I have no problem with it. However, I do feel adding their own custom fonts is useless feature but not allowing gifs or other animations from gboard or SwiftKey is dumb.
"Analytics in the background" I could never reproduce (I have it off on the pro version and never had that issue).
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Radoslav
File picker is totally useless, you added more steps to attach a file. Please remove it. Thanks
I disagree. I think it makes it much easier in picking the recently created document or file. However, I do agree that there should be an option to disable it for those who like the old method.
At the moment for me it's totally useless. When I tap on the icon to attach a file, aqua opens his file picker instead the defaul file manager, and after I have to tap again on file manager to choose the file (default file manager already shows recent files...). I don't know if I'm doing something wrong but for me there are more step to attach a file that before. It would be useful if I can attach a file directly from the received attachment. I also think that they have to implement, before the file picker, others function that would be more useful for us. I'm asking from years to save and read mail as EML, and now it's possible to save and read, but when you read the email there aren't all the attachments. Others mail app, like nine, sugar, samsung email and others, can read eml file with the attachment without any problem.... I get between 100 or 200 emails every day and for some of them, I need to save as EML and send them, but I also need to read before to send them and I need to see all the attachments that I'm sending. It's ridiculous that I have to download another app only to read correctly EML file. Mobi it's a company that is doing his work as competitor of Microsoft, and if you want to fight a giant you have to be more fast and flexible, and you have to listen your customers....That's my thought.
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Not everyone likes the default file picker that's why people requested the AquaMail file picker. However, I do agree they should allow the user to pick wish they would rather use from settings. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "…if I can attach a file directly from the received attachment." You can share attachments and forward them. I don't know anyone about elm or even use them. However, I have found that they are more responsive to email (support@aqua-mail.com) than oftentimes the forum.
Comparing Mobi to Microsoft, have you even attempted to use Microsoft's joke of a mobile email app. For over 5 years I have tried to get them to fix their signature portion of their application instead it only best handles plain text. Look at AquaMail updates and changes over the last 5 years compared to Outlook. Outlook is a joke and more unusable then AquaMail. This is why AquaMail is my email app of choice the only one even close to beating it is Nine. Plus I have seen more bug fixes and feature requests added to AquaMail suggested by its users then into Outlook. Microsoft doesn't listen to their customers while Mobi maybe slow it often will happen much quicker than from Microsoft instead they will just refer you back to their forum or make excuses. While with AquaMail users they can find the answer easily on their frequently asked questions page, the forum, orusually within 24 to 48 hours my emailing them. Something you would never ever see from Microsoft.
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You sound like a Mobi employee. How funny you defend everything and are so defensive when the feedback isn't positive!
No one asked for text to speech or a new file manager first and foremost. The android file picker is not only fine but it achieves the same objective with less interaction and clicking. So yes this new useless file picker is unnecessary.
The firbase issue is well documented and known, not going to debate this with you, go look at that thread, but I'm sure you already have being a Mobi employee.
Don't insult Microsoft, Mobi can only wish they had a fraction of the market share of MS.
Mobi is good at ignoring user requests and throwing unwanted features like this and their absurd office suite alternative for paid users who called them out on it. They try very hard to push what users don't ask for but ignore what people have requested over the years.
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I should add, whether you work for Mobi or not.
You are in the minority here, no one in this thread cares for this useless and inefficient new file picker no one asked for!!!
Notification per contact was requested mutiple times in the past, go search, it's your friend.
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Chris I'm not comparing aqua with outlook because aqua is really better than outlook that I never used. Attach a file from the attachment is a great feature that nine folder that I'm using for my daily job has, and I can assure you that is really great. For EML or MSG file, you are not using it, but for example for my job I have to manage a lot of them during the day, and I need that my mail app manage them like my laptop. With nine I can save, or only open the EML file attached, or I can export as EML the mail message and after I can read it without using any third app. I think that a mail app, for professional users must be professional, I don't need another way to attach a file, but I need that the mail app on the phone do the same job of the mail app on the laptop. About my comparison between Mobi and Microsoft, I think that if Mobi wants to increase their market share, they only have to listen from their customers precisely because from Microsoft as you wrote, we will never receive a clear and decisive support response.
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no one in this thread cares for this useless and inefficient new file picker no one asked for!!!
I agree that no one asked for a new file picker. Where I disagree is that the new picker is useless and inefficient. The first time I used it I didn't like it. Now, after using it for a little more than a week, it's not so bad. So what if it takes an extra click or two? Seriously, how long do those extra clicks take?Even if doing multiple emails, it's not going to add more than a minute. Is your time -that- valuable?
Nobody likes change. I've used it and I am now used to it. No big deal.
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For me it's annoying. I would love an option to get to the system file picker directly.
Imagine every app had an own file picker. There is no need.
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For me it's annoying
To each their own. And yes, having an option would be ideal.
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That is the absurd statement I have ever heard.
No one wants inefficient and extra clicks, it is lazy and poor programming. Your excuse for Mobi could be an excuse for every single app and the OS and the phone.
Give me a break.
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You sound like a Mobi employee. How funny you defend everything and are so defensive when the feedback isn't positive!
No one asked for text to speech or a new file manager first and foremost. The android file picker is not only fine but it achieves the same objective with less interaction and clicking. So yes this new useless file picker is unnecessary.
The firbase issue is well documented and known, not going to debate this with you, go look at that thread, but I'm sure you already have being a Mobi employee.
Don't insult Microsoft, Mobi can only wish they had a fraction of the market share of MS.
Mobi is good at ignoring user requests and throwing unwanted features like this and their absurd office suite alternative for paid users who called them out on it. They try very hard to push what users don't ask for but ignore what people have requested over the years.
I'm not a mobi employee just a AquaMail user like everyone else. The text to speech feature was requested back before AquaMail was sold to Mobi.
I have no issues with the file picker and I actually like it better than the Android default file picker. However everyone has their thoughts on it therefore they should allow the user to disable it.
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For me it's annoying. I would love an option to get to the system file picker directly.
Imagine every app had an own file picker. There is no need.
I agree with giving the option to turn off the new file picker for the default one in settings. I have already emailed AquaMail with my suggestion and you should do the same.
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That is the absurd statement I have ever heard.
No one wants inefficient and extra clicks, it is lazy and poor programming. Your excuse for Mobi could be an excuse for every single app and the OS and the phone.
Give me a break.
I'm not getting into a flame war with you. It's not as inefficient as you make it seem. Have you used it for an entire day? How many extra minutes did it take? If you don't like it, that's your prerogative.
And yes, as I said before, an option would be nice.
I'm outta here. I've got some attachments to send and I can't afford to waste any time on this.
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Like I said, about the most absurd thing I ever heard.
Apparently inefficiency is the new standard for you.
Let's recreate a mousetrap, but make it less efficient, because we all know how efficiency doesn't makes a difference in the world.
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Hi all,
I understand that not all of you like the new feature. Please note that everyone's opinion is important here and must be respected.
So, please, try to avoid the friendly fire :)
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Thank you. Of course I don't expect AquaMail to behave like a file manager.
But I need the folder structure and I don't think I'm the only one who needs it. You wanted it to make it easier, that fits e.g. to WhatsApp. Users of WhatsApp just send the last used pic or last used other file.
E-Mail is different, attachments are often in subfolders or in a cloud storage. This is a job for system file picker or a file manager. One tap less - as an option - for every attachment would be helpful .
Agree
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