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Title: Link Color
Post by: zorz on February 23, 2017, 05:52:39 am
Is it only for me that I see all links in the message in a green color? They weren't green before the recent Material Design update... I think they were blue before, something more common. Looked all over the settings trying to find a way to change the color.

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Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: zorz on February 23, 2017, 03:20:17 pm
May we please have an option of changing the accent color, then? Teal isn't that universal to feel matching any custom color palette. We can change the title bar, menu bar, and floating action icon colors and I, like many, took full advantage of it to match my brand colors (black and purple). After all that customization, teal simply screams and feels terribly out of place. I suppose blue wasn't that difficult to cope with in the past years... Thank you.

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Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: mikeone on February 23, 2017, 04:14:08 pm
May we please have an option of changing the accent color, then? Teal isn't that universal to feel matching any custom color palette. We can change the title bar, menu bar, and floating action icon colors and I, like many, took full advantage of it to match my brand colors (black and purple). After all that customization, teal simply screams and feels terribly out of place. I suppose blue wasn't that difficult to cope with in the past years... Thank you.

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That's an 'old' discussion:
http://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/2278/should-hyperlinks-be-blue

However, the color known as "hyperlink blue" is no longer one of the default options in Microsoft Word.

So, the world is constantly changing...
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: annieb on February 23, 2017, 04:23:55 pm
I'm using the Light Theme and my hyperlinks still appear to be blue unless the email sender has customized them of course.
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: zorz on February 23, 2017, 04:24:04 pm
It is not a question of what is old and new, just a suggestion to give us flexibility of customizing the accent color to fully fit the rest of the environment.

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Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: jmccabe on February 23, 2017, 08:53:12 pm
Blue (light/regular) was the "accent" color of AquaMail, now it's aquamarine/teal.
You can see the change in the Floating action button color, the new icon, etc.
And this is better in my opinion as a user.

Clearly, from zorz's message, I'm not the only one who thinks the teal "accent" colour is bloody horrible! I've already asked on another thread, that you're party to, for an option to change it.
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: mikeone on February 23, 2017, 08:55:54 pm
An option to choose the color for "Hyperlinks" would be a good idea.
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on February 24, 2017, 03:39:13 pm
We just changed it back to the standard "browser blue" for the two light themes.

The change is present in last night's build of 1.8.2:

https://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=5435.0
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: zorz on February 24, 2017, 03:42:41 pm
We just changed it back to the standard "browser blue" for the two light themes.

The change is present in last night's build of 1.8.2:

https://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=5435.0
Thanks a lot, Kostya! No similar love for the dark themes? ;)

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Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on February 24, 2017, 03:51:01 pm
Well, the dark themes are, well, dark, so at least for now -- the "teal" seems to look more constrast-ey against dark gray / black.
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: zorz on February 24, 2017, 06:39:44 pm
It just seems easiest for me to give each user a way to customize that darn color in settings... :)

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Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on February 24, 2017, 08:23:48 pm
Re: Well, you have changed it to this "brower blue" of 1990's and some users (including myself) have asked for teal before that.

I checked it on several of my phones and the teal (in the light themes) was too light and hard to read.
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: StR on February 27, 2017, 10:47:50 pm
It just seems easiest for me to give each user a way to customize that darn color in settings... :)

This statement brought to memory one fact by association (even though it is mostly irrelevant to the issue being discussed).

There was a period (late 1990's or early 2000's) when web-designers started adding to the websites phrases like "This page is best viewed with such-and-such browser". That, in essence, defeated the original idea of HTML that the web-content should be visible and usable regarding of the client.
(Without getting into technical details, I'd say that it happened because different browsers started using different "extensions" of HTML, and web-page designers started going after "latest and greatest".)

At that point, I added something like "This site is best viewed on my computer" to one of my web-pages.

Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: lpetkov | Mobisystems | Designer on February 28, 2017, 12:08:53 pm
Hi all,

I'm currently reviewing this issue, thanks for the feedback. Point taken - the current link color isn't doesn't contrast well in the light theme.
However, since the "standard internet blue" isn't really matching our Aqua color palette, we're likely to go with a modified (darker) Cyan blue or Teal color in the future.
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: jmccabe on February 28, 2017, 12:41:27 pm
The best would be Teal, same as the default Floating Action Button color in the Material Design Clear theme.

In one of the dev builds, -201 or 202 I think - Teal was introduced (only in the message header) and it was good. Tested on Samsung 7 edge, Nexus 5X, Nexus 6.

Thank you for your efforts
Who said it was good? I can't stand teal; I think it's a nasty horrible shade that doesn't know if it's green or blue. Stop trying to force your OPINION on everyone as if it was fact.
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: lpetkov | Mobisystems | Designer on February 28, 2017, 05:28:38 pm
Well, that's the trouble with choosing colors - this sort of thing can be very subjective.

First, the reason we are going with the Cyan/Teal combo is the name of the product - Aqua Mail. I'd like to visually connect the brand name with the product UI colors. Here's what an "Aqua" design moodboard looks like. (https://i.imgur.com/Kj3IWSA.jpg)

Here are both a darker cyan blue and darker teal next to each other, if you want to further express an opinion. From a Material Guidelines perspective, we should probably use the Accent color, but since people are used to blue for hyperlinks, there's a good argument for keeping the Cyan.

(https://i.imgur.com/wUttxTJ.png)
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: jmccabe on February 28, 2017, 06:51:38 pm
When you write directly to me "Stop trying to ..." - put "please" somewhere, in the beginning or the end
I will quite happily do that when you stop trying to put your opinion forward as fact.
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: StR on February 28, 2017, 07:37:15 pm
When you write directly to me "Stop trying to ..." - put "please" somewhere, in the beginning or the end
I will quite happily do that when you stop trying to put your opinion forward as fact.

@jmccabe: Please, chill out!
Paris Geek expresses his own opinion. The same way as you do, and everybody else on this forum can.
I do not see any indication that Paris Geek has done that on your, or anybody else's behalf.

Yes, he has a strong opinion, and he is very involved on this forum, because he cares for how Aquamail works and looks. He takes his time and energy to carefully describe and illustrate his suggestions.

@jmccabe:  Feel free to express your opinion in a similarly detailed and strong way. I don't think anybody would object. But please, there is no reason for personal attacks. (Of course, people may argue with you about your suggestions, but hopefully without going to personalities.)




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@ lpetkov:
I made this comment to Kostya earlier. Not all sites keep traditional "blue" as the links.
There are different shades, see e.g.:
https://www.mail-archive.com/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/

I saw a reference (circa 2015) that even IE departed from the "default" link colors:
:link { color: #0000EE; }
:visited { color: #551A8B; },
changing those to "unvisited links are rgb(0, 102, 204), or #0066CC, and visited links are rgb(128, 0, 128), or #800080"
(Ref.: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4774022/whats-default-html-css-link-color )

Many websites with dark (black) background successfully use totally different colors for backgrounds (frequently gold-yellow or shades of read). See the discussion and examples e.g. here:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4774022/whats-default-html-css-link-color

Look, e.g. at http://cbs.com -- they practically have no "blue" hyperlinks. And that's fine, isn't it?

Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: jmccabe on February 28, 2017, 08:43:38 pm
@jmccabe: Please, chill out!
Paris Geek expresses his own opinion. The same way as you do, and everybody else on this forum can.
I do not see any indication that Paris Geek has done that on your, or anybody else's behalf.

Thank you for your comment; I'm sure you're right about Paris Geek's history on this forum but, to me comments like:

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The best would be Teal

and

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In one of the dev builds, -201 or 202 I think - Teal was introduced (only in the message header) and it was good.

and

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.... and please replace blue color with teal and put the date on first Title line

(in another thread) come across to me as suggesting he/she is right and anyone else's opinion is invalid. More appropriate versions of the 1st two would be:

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My preference would be Teal

and

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In one of the dev builds, -201 or 202 I think - Teal was introduced (only in the message header) and I really liked it.

It probably didn't help that Paris Geek had replied in a pretty patronising manner, incorrectly suggesting I hadn't spotted any customisation options, in another thread that I started.

Still, let's just end this here. I'll say no more about the matter if you don't.
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: StR on February 28, 2017, 09:34:04 pm
   but, to me comments like:

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The best would be Teal

and

Quote
In one of the dev builds, -201 or 202 I think - Teal was introduced (only in the message header) and it was good.

and

Quote
.... and please replace blue color with teal and put the date on first Title line

(in another thread) come across to me as suggesting he/she is right and anyone else's opinion is invalid.

Sorry to say, but you are over-reacting.
In those sentences he clearly spoke for himself.
I don't think anybody must add any disclaimers like "others might think differently" or even words "I, my", to every sentence while expressing their opinion. By default, all users (except the official representatives of Aquamail) speak for themselves, not for the entire community.
(And that's why it makes sense to voice your opinion even if you agree with someone else', - because then the developer(s) know that several users think the same way.)

I don't know if you ever participate in any technical/business/... discussions, but that's exactly how people express their own opinions, without implying the universality.


Still, let's just end this here. I'll say no more about the matter if you don't.

Amen!
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: arf8 on March 02, 2017, 12:49:52 am
Well, that's the trouble with choosing colors - this sort of thing can be very subjective.

You hit it on the head, which is all the reason there should be "options" to change per users desire.

I personally think one of the reasons why Aqua Mail is great is because of the options to modify.

 I'm not a fan of teal but can live with it, however it would be better if I could change it as now this teal ring pops up on my smart watch every time I get an email.

On a tangent there is an option for preview colors in the message list which is great but not one for Read & Unread previews. Would be nice to have one for each. Finding a color that works for both is a challenge in the dark theme when switching between the two.

cheers
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: jmccabe on March 02, 2017, 04:16:02 pm
Sorry to say, but you are over-reacting.
In those sentences he clearly spoke for himself.
I don't think anybody must add any disclaimers like "others might think differently" or even words "I, my", to every sentence while expressing their opinion. By default, all users (except the official representatives of Aquamail) speak for themselves, not for the entire community.
(And that's why it makes sense to voice your opinion even if you agree with someone else', - because then the developer(s) know that several users think the same way.)

I don't know if you ever participate in any technical/business/... discussions, but that's exactly how people express their own opinions, without implying the universality.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to achieve by responding in such an arrogant, patronising and bullying way. Not only patronising to me, but also to Paris Geek who, I'm sure, is perfectly capable of fighting their own battles.

And, FWIW, in my 30 years as a software engineer, the only people I've known who've expressed their own opinions as if they were fact tend to be the people who're universally disliked by their peers. Those who are respected by their peers normally express their opinion as in the form "I think <xxxx> because <justification for why they think xxxx>".

Still, let's just end this here. I'll say no more about the matter if you don't.

Amen!

What was it about "I'll say no more if you don't" that you didn't get?
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: StR on March 02, 2017, 05:38:56 pm
... I'm not really sure what you're trying to achieve by responding in such an arrogant, patronising and bullying way.
... Paris Geek had replied in a pretty patronising manner...

Ad hominem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)
(tone policing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing))
EOD.
Title: Re: Link Color
Post by: jmccabe on March 02, 2017, 07:38:29 pm
... I'm not really sure what you're trying to achieve by responding in such an arrogant, patronising and bullying way.
... Paris Geek had replied in a pretty patronising manner...

Ad hominem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)
(tone policing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing))
EOD.
Astonishing!