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English - Android => General Discussion => Topic started by: Finferlo on November 16, 2016, 06:48:46 pm
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Me again !
Now that Aquamail became a Mibisystems product, it can avail achieve synchronization of email exchange with activesync?
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Why would that be better? Aquamail already syncs with EWS, which has more features like shared calendars etc. The only issue is push, which Aquamail has also worked around.
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It is better because the work around that is used does not work with all servers.
There is'nt a total compatibility with Exchange.
The servers of large companies do not respond to "work around".
Aquamail who wants to be a professional software, can not matter Activesync
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It is better because the work around that is used does not work with all servers.
There is'nt a total compatibility with Exchange.
The servers of large companies do not respond to "work around".
Aquamail who wants to be a professional software, can not matter Activesync
I am sorry to say, but based on this description, your understanding of EWS and EAS appears to be very limited and not completely correct. EWS is actually a more capable protocol with richer functionality than that of EAS (Exchange ActiveSync) While EAS indeed has some advantages for mobile devices, it also has limitations.
Some examples include:
Search in Exchange ActiveSync is limited to a single string and a maximum of 200 results.
Exchange ActiveSync doesn’t support the Drafts folder.
For a more detailed comparison read MSDN article:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/dn144954(v=exchg.140).aspx#sectionSection3
Read "Reach" section in that article, where MS actually gives some information about use of both protocols.
PS. Here is an interesting account of some Exchange developer:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-EAS-Exchange-ActiveSync-and-EWS-Exchange-Web-Service-How-should-we-choose-between-them
The Microsoft official EWS managed API is on github. The EAS specifications are arcane and likely to make you have headaches. ...
I've worked extensively with both and I can throw together some functional EWS code in minutes, but EAS may take days.
If you had ever worked with MS products (many of which have awful documentation), hearing that, as a software developer or as a project manager, you'd want to avoid dealing with EAS at all costs.
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The servers of large companies do not respond to "work around".
Nope, not true on several counts:
1 - It's not a "workaround", it's a very clever solution that's based on an official Microsoft technology and an official Google technology, and yet does not compromise on privacy.
2 - This is only an issue for "some" large companies, and only a small number. It's their decision, not mine.
3 - Those companies could as easily decide to block access from *any* mobile mail app, even ActiveSync based, if it's not "Outlook" or "Nine" (or some other small "whitelist"). And then we'd be back to square one.
4 - The number of affected users is about 3-5% based on what I've seen so far.
5 - It seems to be primarily Italian companies -- is there perhaps a popular book, translated into Italian, something like "Teach yourself Exchange server administration in 21 days" which has the recommendation to block "push subscriptions" because of "security reasons"?
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German Company.. Not Italian!
Thanks
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Sorry, so maybe it's a German book.
But still consider this:
- Someone spends several months implementing ActiveSync in AquaMail.
- You install this new version, you're happy
- The next day, it stops working again because:
... your company's IT department started blocking all email apps, ActiveSync or not, except Outlook ("the new corporate standard, signed off by Sr. Vice President for Corporate Security").
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Hi,
I would like to add my experience.
Also my company started to use EAS and for this I can't use aqua - mail anymore with my account.
The reason they use EAS is that they now also have Sophos Mobile Control. This checks your device via an app. And only if your device is in line with the security policies the SMC proxy lets you access the EAS Email server.
You said you implemented an workaround. However I could not manage to get it working with that.
Outlook App on Android works, but sucks.
So in case you consider implementing EAS with ascending need, I might ask you to reconsider ;)
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Re: The reason they use EAS is that they now also have Sophos Mobile Control.
If they're that "tight" about "corporate security" - they can easily block app email apps that are not on their "approved list".
So even if Aqua supported ActiveSync - there would still be a good chance it would be blocked.
EWS is an official, documented part of Exchange. There is nothing wrong with it.
But with a corporate mail account - your IT department can make your life as miserable as they want to, any time (for good reasons or course).
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Dear Kostya,
it is very difficult for me to contradict you. I love to die Aquamail and I have always appreciated your passion and respect for all those who wrote in the forum.
But on EAS (Activesync) we will never agree. I used ALL software that use Activesync and ALL have been accepted by my company's servers. All stock applications already installed by phones are accepted. Your consideration, considering the possibility of discriminating on one application or another. This is really very rare.
After YEARS I had to decide to use another software, which until recently was only accepted by Exchange and that you can also configure Imap accounts recently (maybe you understand what I'm talking about).
But I'm here, waiting for you to change your idea. I respect, but I do not agree.
So many wishes and congratulations Kostya !!
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This whole argument seems a bit unnecessary.
As long as your company is happy doing what they're doing @Finferlo you're fine to continue as you are. It's just a shame you can't incorporate Aquamail into it.
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Hi Kostya,
thank you for your reply.
Well my company could - for sure - block any app that they wouldn't like. However they use SMC for a totally different reason:
They use it so only "pre-authenticated" mobiles can access the email. It is kind of a permanent "2-factor" authentication.
As Finferlo pointed out, for me it holds too, that my company never discriminated an app. You are allowed to use stock android, apple stock, outlook. Whatever supports EAS. No regulation at all.
So I don't get your point in not supporting it. Sure they COULD discriminate other clients.
But the reality is: More and more companies will implement SMC, EAS and similar stuff to have an extra level of security, so that stealing the login credentials is not sufficient.
Best regards
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Doesn't look like Sophos is incompatible with EWS.
Maybe check with your IT department?
https://community.sophos.com/kb/en-us/127137
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Hi,
Part-time exchange admin here.
I was googling if AquaMail would support EAS, and I guess it does not.
The reason for our company for using EAS is simple - security. AFAIK, you cannot lock or remote wipe a lost mobile device or enforce a security policy via EWS. I think this is quite common approach in Finland.
Based on limited time testing with AquaMail, it sure looks tempting alternative, but lack of EAS is no go for us.
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The reason for our company for using EAS is simple - security. AFAIK, you cannot lock or remote wipe a lost mobile device or enforce a security policy via EWS. I think this is quite common approach in Finland.
If you use Office 365 - you can do remote wipe (and much more!) by using Microsoft InTune (company portal).
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Sorry to take over this old post. But is see now that activesync is not supported by aquamail.
Stupid me, now i have two useless licenses. :-[
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Sorry to take over this old post. But is see now that activesync is not supported by aquamail.
Stupid me, now i have two useless licenses. :-[
Same here. My company (National Health Services - United Kingdom) suddenly blocked EWS. ActiveSync based apps are working. The 'computer people' (IT) are being most unhelpful and replied that they don't support android devices.
Is there an old version of AquaMail which uses ActiveSync? {I would rather use that than to go to other options - BluMail, Gmail and Outlook all seem to be working)
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Hi,
Sorry to tell you but for the moment, we have no plans for Active Sync.
Nadia
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I had some heated discussions (almost arguments) with computer people in my NHS Trust.... They are not providing any reason for blocking EWS. I will keep fighting but it feels like a lost cause. Eventually settling with Gmail but crying as I have deeply been in love with AquaMail. I had not imagined that a day will come when I will have to stop using AquaMail. Sad times. I wish that EWS stops working for the whole world and Kotsya has to introduce ActiveSync {dark humour}.
Regards from a sad NHS doctor.
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Same problem here, would love to use aquamail like i did it till now, but my new company does only accept active sync.
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I hope that Mobisystem team will consider adding ActiveSync option (either in addition to or in stead of EWS). Kostya was not keen on this but it will be a big boost if the new developers can offer something new like this. Regards
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I started this post in 2016 and I think the lack of Activesync is still the most important. I have recommended AM to many of my colleagues but they all abandoned it due to this lack.
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I'm a doctor in National Health Service (NHS) United Kingdom.
NHS uses @nhs.net Exchange email server to provide email access to all NHS employees. We are talking roughly around 1.5 million of employees.
It's a shame that push notifications don't work for Exchange EAS email server accounts when using Aqua Mail.
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It looks like this thread died a long time ago, but many of us are still hoping for EAS support I'm sure. As users, few of us have any control over our organizations' choice of e-mail server. We just want to be able to use the app that we prefer (Aquamail) to get our mail.
Since Aquamail doesn't work for one of my four email addresses, I have no choice but to install and use the official Outlook app to get mail with that address, which is a shame. :(
Edit: Don't believe me? Look at the number of views this thread has received over the years.
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Been using Aquamail for over 3 years now. Just had to delete it and switch to a client that supports ActiveSync. I started using AquaMail because I wanted one mail client with both my personal and work accounts. Now my work is only allowing ActiveSync mobile clients due to security vulnerabilities in even the Outlook for Android App.
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Hello Developers,
It just passing another year when we are waiting for exchange active sync protocol, is it so problematic to implement or the problem is licensing fees?