AquaMail Forum
English - Android => General Discussion => Topic started by: amirage on January 11, 2016, 05:29:02 pm
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Hi all,
Just wanted to check how's Aquamail playing along with Android 6 "ground-breaking" features...are new mails being notified or does MM force Aquamail to doze and that we need to open the app to getting new emails...
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some k9 users are complaining that doze and k9 dont like each other. kostya will be able to shed more light on this. mm is still on less than 1% of android devices so early days yet. besides gmail itself is having notification problems - though not sure whether its because of android 6 or some other reason.
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https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=197805#c71
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Ok cool... Calling Dr. Kostya... Your expertise is required on this post...
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Doze mode is bad.
What's even worse is that even adding an app to "exclude from optimizations" system settings *does not* fully revert the changes.
Now about AquaMail:
- It prompts the user to "exclude from optimizations"
- When the device is in Doze mode, the system will let the app check mail at most every 15 minutes, not more often
- When the device is in Doze mode, IMAP push will (for most servers) stop working
Google wants all apps to rely on GCM (Google Cloud Messaging). The mail app would have to be cloud based (and Google likes this too).
That's how you get reliable push mail even in Doze mode.
Oh wait, maybe you won't:
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/nexus/Ayd_1TOemSE/yP9Chr4UBwAJ
Perhaps Google engineers who wrote Google Mail for Google Android are not very familiar with latest changes to Google Android.
Or maybe they are but those are bugs in Google Mail for Google Android, or Google Android itself, or Google Cloud Messaging.
Maybe someone at Google can talk to someone at Google and work out how make a reliable mail app for Google Android.
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@kostya what is the inactive elapsed time before doze mode kicks in?
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Re: what is the inactive elapsed time before doze mode kicks in?
"Determined by Android as appropriate".
In my tests, using a Nexus 5 with 6.0, it appeared to be a few hours.
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Hi Kostya,
Thanks for your feedback...essentially Google wants everyone to use their shit than look for alternatives...so much for throwing away my iPhone. From the looks of it, it seems that there's no going back from cloud-messaging services and the shitty Gmail app...
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Doze or no doze i am sticking with aquamail. there aint anything else like it. besides if it takes a few hours for doze to kick in i dont think it will affect me since there is always something going on with my phone ie text msg, whatsapp, email, calls. only time things are quiet are weekends. oh i guess i will manage.
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Ok, I did give this a go and it seems that on my Samsung S6 Edge (running 6.0.1 beta edition) the apps seems to be running fine. I did exclude it from the doze feature but the battery usage reported high "android os" usage implying high wake lock. I didn't change any other setting in the phone but just added this app with my accounts. Any other Android M users here who can validate this...
I guess Android M is just more like iOS with the OS forcing users to get tied down to the stock apps or risk facing battery issues...
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Re: but the battery usage reported high "android os" usage implying high wake lock.
First, you may be getting a higher % even if the app's absolute battery usage is the same -- if other apps / system processes are restricted and so are using less.
Second, please see the FAQ and search it for "battery" -- I think the issue with high "mobile radio active" (an Android bug) is not fully fixed in 6.0.
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Re: I guess Android M is just more like iOS with the OS forcing users to get tied down to the stock apps or risk facing battery issues...
I'm at all familiar with iOS, but it seems like -- yes, in iOS, background processing is severely restricted unless you go through Apple's push service. Same here in Doze mode (fortunately, it only kicks in after a few hours... so far...).
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@kostya,
I think the mobile radio active bug is fixed with 6.0.1 unless google has ingeniously masked all the active bug under android os! But the issue is that android os drain only occurs when I'm using any app for emails other than the crap gmail app. Evidently, google doesn't want to stray away from the gmail app else it will punish us by draining our batteries...All the battery drain issues vanish when I'm back on the gmail app...
You've got to hand it google...they really know how to break stuff and add more bugs...
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Re: android os drain
So there is a new one? Where you get a high battery usage reported for "Android OS"?
Maybe it's the same mobile radio thing, just attributed to where it belongs (finally). Maybe it's something else.
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Actually, Kostya, I have a strong feeling that the mobile radio active bug is only present for any other email app other than gmail...but in android L even gmail was not excluded from the bug...I think the android os drain is more to do with apps that don't doze => more wake locks...
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I have a collection of screenshots with this bug in the FAQ -- and it's not just email apps. Those are from the 5.0-5.1 days.
This whole thing stinks -- doze mode, mobile radio bug (fixed or not), manufacturers making changes to alarm scheduling (hello Samsung, Huawei, Lenovo).
But oh, we have such pretty animations now.
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From the looks of it, I should have stayed back on iOS. Thinking Android gives me freedom was the biggest mistake I made moving from iOS....I'll have to wait until I finish my contract to move back to iOS...
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Personally, I bought an iPhone about a year ago and finally (last week) was able to give it away.
Only used it for less than a month.
Had high hopes too, but it turned out to be
- buggier and slower than Android phones
- too limited even with basic things (i.e. not possible to set a low alarm volume and high ringer volume)
- too annoying at times (why is there an Apple Watch icon on my home screen, I don't need it and not going to buy one)
FWIW, YMMV, etc.
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Just a question regarding the exclude from optimizations option in the synchronization settings.
Where can one disable it? Because after activating it, I don't see the option in the settins anymore
AND AquaMail was not set to ignore battery optimizations in the corresponding system settings.
Is there another setting somwhere?
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Ok. Strange I did a phone reboot and the app was in optimize and now once I removed it, I have the option to readd it in synchronization settings.
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@Kostya,
Buggier - I'm not sure if iOS is buggier than Android given the current rate at which Google has been throwing out crap updates ever since 4.4.X. At least, we can be sure the native iOS apps do work well while native Google apps are a different story.
Slower - It's just that iOS has slower animation scale making it feel slower than Android besides iOS is still running on 2011 Android hardware per se yet it can easily challenge the self proclaimed uber-Android devices to date.
Limited - Yes, this I give you.
Annoying - Yes, but doesn't Android also come with its idiosyncrasies?
Anyway, the debate between Android and iOS is never ending...but I still Android has a long way to go to reach the levels of iOS. And I so wish they didn't implement the stupid doze feature....Hell, what was wrong with Kitkat? It was the best update from Android to date and everything since has been downhill.
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Re: Hell, what was wrong with Kitkat?
I can think of a few things.
Re: everything since has been downhill
"uuuseleees animations! annnoyyying colors! come on in and see them all!"
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Can I get a Nexus 6P with Android 2.2?