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English - Android => Development builds => Topic started by: Kostya Vasilyev on November 20, 2015, 04:37:35 pm
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The lack of conversation view was the app's most obvious shortcoming -- until now.
Version 1.6.0 is still only in "beta", but I should be able to start rolling it out for all users soon (a "staged" gradual rollout, as usual).
With that in mind, here are my plans for after 1.6.0:
- "Undo" for deleting / moving messages
- Android 6 "ask for permissions on first use"
- Better on-device search by message text (aware of international characters, faster)
And once those are done and released, I'm going to start looking for other things to do.
Some ideas for that (still distant) future include, in no particular order:
- Looking at Exchange push again, maybe I previously missed something
- Contact sync for Exchange
- More Immaterial Design
(annoying animations! tiny buttons! padding the size of a football field! grey text on grey background!)
- Encryption / signing
This of course assumes by then my app isn't yet made obsolete by the competition.
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why would your app (the best code at that) ever be made obsolete? or was that weekend humor :)? cloud based apps are ostensibly more fluid but then the issue of the " cloud" and the insecurities of third party servers will always remain.
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Yes, the popular mail apps are mostly cloud based (with the notable exception of Boxer, and Google's own Gmail app itself for non-Gmail accounts) and it works well for them.
I prefer the more traditional approach.
But...
First, Google made life very difficult for non-cloud based apps in Android 6, and it's only a matter of time before everyone runs that version (at least, or some Android 9). Same as now there are very few devices in use running < 4.0.3.
Second, most people don't seem to mind, or are even aware.
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have you had any feedback/initial impressions from aquamail users on android 6?
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Nothing so far.
Surprising, because Doze mode really stops everything -- maybe they understand?
I am going to try and add workarounds, prompting the user to exclude the app from "battery optimizations".
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regardless, the quality of your app will always make it stand out. as the number of email apps continue to grow so do the users. most cloud based apps do not give you the " granular" control that aqua or k9 or maildroid do. they focus on push only for inboxes and that is only going to suffice for the read/ send user... your proposed workaround sounds promising. good luck!
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Hi Kostya,
Here are some suggestions which I collected in the past and kept it in my mind:
• new swipe action "send to calendar..."
(instrad of open a message, go to menu , then share, send to your calendar /to do app...)
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=2653.msg11521#msg11521
• gathering so called productivity command in one comprehensive menu
> 'to show Aquamail's features more prominently' as suggested by paras.desai
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=2748.msg12168#msg12168
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=2734.msg12139#msg12139
• possibility for moving messages even to a folder of another account
• edit folder/subfolder within an acount (create/rename/delete *)
* folder should not be deleted if it still contains at least one message
• sorting folders
> as suggested by ckilpatrickuk
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=26.msg91#msg91
• messages get grouped by date
> as suggested by paras.desai
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=2658.msg11577#msg11577
Kostya,
These are just my personal suggestions / my'wish list' sorted by my priorities.
I do not want to pressure you as I'm sure you will have some of these features already on your own to do / priority list book.
Thanks a lot for the excellent development on your pretty nice app. I appreciate it very much.
Kindest regards
Mike
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@mike --
That's a very small list :)
The list of "various suggested ideas" which I've been keeping has at least 50 items (and I stopped counting after that) :)
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@mike --
That's a very small list :)
The list of "various suggested ideas" which I've been keeping has at least 50 items (and I stopped counting after that) :)
Well, these are just a few, small suggestions which could be developed in a day or two...
8) 8)
... just kidding :)
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Re: just a few, small suggestions which could be developed in a day or two
You mean *all* of them, right?
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Re: just a few, small suggestions which could be developed in a day or two
You mean *all* of them, right?
Yes, "All" together... maybe as a relaxing weekend work.
...ducking and running away...
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@mike --
That's a very small list :)
The list of "various suggested ideas" which I've been keeping has at least 50 items (and I stopped counting after that) :)
I'll add one more; the only thing I want for AquaMail, which is otherwise perfect ;D
I get tons of Spam in my pop3 account; I'd love it if AquaMail would add a mailbox sort for "has a contact entry." That way, I could quickly find messages from my contacts without having to scroll through hundreds of messages. Perhaps there's already a way to do this in AquaMail that I've missed. I currently use a gMail account to filter spam, but that means I have two accounts to check.
Other than that, AquaMail is perfect, and definitely the best app on Android I've ever used. So smooth and solid and everything works as advertised.
P.S. I'm not a paid employee of AquaMail, even though I might sound like one.
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Re: has a contact entry
Yes, I still have it written down, and... checking system contacts is pretty expensive, has to be done from a worker thread, there is a delay, yada yada yada... and more and more meaningless blabbering...
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Hello, people from the message list when mail is sent to multiple people is the first official picture of the person. I think it should be a formal group. Thanks
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With that in mind, here are my plans for after 1.6.0:
- "Undo" for deleting / moving messages
- Better on-device search by message text (aware of international characters, faster)
PLEASE THIS ^
1. I've accidentally deleted a couple of emails (via errant swiping) and had to hunt around to get them back.
2. Please consider searching deep within each account (i.e. back via the server and not just the already downloaded msgs) when searching from the Smart Account.
Thanks.
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Those two items, yes, definitely, I'm very aware, and expressing deep concern in relation to.
So with that in mind, my best efforts, concerning user convenience.
And all that.
However, "deep search" (searching multiple server folders at once) is a *bitch* with IMAP. Much easier for Exchange accounts. Not sure when / if that might happen.
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Hi Kostya,
I have to add one more great suggestion from paras.desai:
• Create and add a link to the respective email when sharing message with Calendar or To-do App.
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=2653.msg22272#msg22272
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Hi - love AquaMail! It's my daily driver and preferred email tool among the half dozen or so I use on various platforms. The recent addition of 'conversations' is a welcome enhancement - although I am still getting accustomed to the presentation.
At first I found the 'show position' banner a bit intrusive (lots of pixels on a small screen) for unthreaded mail and disabled it in settings. But I quickly missed the ability to know my position within a conversation. Which leads to a suggestion: include a sub-option that says something like 'only for conversations'.
Not sure if others see this as beneficial. From a developer perspective it would likely add complexity to the code vs a universal setting for all messages. Thought I'd throw it out for consideration.
Thanks as aways for all you do and hosting this forum where views can be openly shared.
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At first I found the 'show position' banner a bit intrusive (lots of pixels on a small screen) for unthreaded mail and disabled it in settings. But I quickly missed the ability to know my position within a conversation. Which leads to a suggestion: include a sub-option that says something like 'only for conversations'.
Not difficult to add in terms of coding -- however, it would make this information line "jump in and out" (let's say when swiping).
In terms of real estate -- this information line scrolls in sync with message text (since previous big update, 1.5.9) and message header, it's not in a fixed position where it's always taking up space.
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Agreed - the visual distraction would be rather annoying (hadn't thought of that). I'll work with it a while longer and will likely get comfortable with the new banner. It seems to work best when swiping which I should do more of; great productivity tool. I tend to be fussy about first screen real estate and the importance of information presented; hence the reaction. BTW - also appreciate the changes introduced in 1.5.9, especially dynamic message headers. Lots smiles when I installed that version!
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Aqua Mail is great. The only think I would like is the option for an email to show more than one label/folder as can be done with Gmail. Or is that already possible and I haven't found that option yet?
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Yes, the popular mail apps are mostly cloud based (with the notable exception of Boxer, and Google's own Gmail app itself for non-Gmail accounts) and it works well for them.
I prefer the more traditional approach.
But...
First, Google made life very difficult for non-cloud based apps in Android 6, and it's only a matter of time before everyone runs that version (at least, or some Android 9). Same as now there are very few devices in use running < 4.0.3.
Second, most people don't seem to mind, or are even aware.
the Gmail app only offers push for gmail. all external accounts are synced- min interval 15 minutes. not a complete app in my opinion.
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Regarding AquaMail on Marshmallow 6.0, I'd like to help answer any questions you have.
First, let me say I've been running all your latest test versions on our Nexus 6 phones, which are still on stock 5.1.1 and have had no issues. These phones should get OTA updates to Marshmallow 6.0 any day now.
But I've also been running your new releases on my test mule, a Nexus 4 running an AOSP Marshmallow 6.0 ROM. Also has TWRP recovery, Gapps, AFwall+ firewall, SuperSU and all my favorite stuff installed. So it's setup just like for daily use. The Nexus 4 runs this very well.
These phones all have 4 Gmail accounts and 1 IMAP account, provided by GoDaddy, setup in AquaMail.
Anyway, the point of all this is I have the test equipment needed for AquaMail/6.0. I've not noticed any issues with AquaMail on the Nexus 4 and 6.0. But, I don't much care if it goes into Doze mode and doesn't get mail at 2am.
Still, you seem concerned about AquaMail on 6.0. What should I do or look for? I'm not really certain exactly what issues you're worried about.
Android since v1.0. Linux since 2001
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Aqua Mail is great. The only think I would like is the option for an email to show more than one label/folder as can be done with Gmail. Or is that already possible and I haven't found that option yet?
The requested feature could be an action:
"Copy to folder..."
(in addition to "Move to folder...").
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Aqua Mail is great. The only think I would like is the option for an email to show more than one label/folder as can be done with Gmail. Or is that already possible and I haven't found that option yet?
The requested feature could be an action:
"Copy to folder..."
(in addition to "Move to folder...").
Interesting. I have wished for both of these features (second is necessary extension of first) from time to time but could easily accomplish in another client (eg: EM Client or native gmail) when needed. It would be convenient to have in Aquamail but I worry about the extra complexity.
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Well, the action "Move to folder..." is already implemented in AquaMail.
(and also: "Move to Archive" + "Move to Spam")
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Well, the action "Move to folder..." is already implemented in AquaMail.
(and also: "Move to Archive" + "Move to Spam")
FYI - Move is different from copy in most contexts. Moving a message in AM can actually break Gmails default multi-tagging if one of the system folders is involved. But this is a minor issue in the grand scheme of email management. A nice refinement but not critical.
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FYI - Move is different from copy in most contexts.
Of course, I know that there is a difference. 8)
Moving a message in AM can actually break Gmails default multi-tagging if one of the system folders is involved. But this is a minor issue in the grand scheme of email management. A nice refinement but not critical.
I'm not sure what you want to point out here.
GMail's IMAP server "shows" each label as a separate folder.
I never had any issues with the "Move to folder..." action in my AquaMail's Gmail account (configured as IMAP) in the past.
@Davey126
Maybe it's worth to have a look into this thread from Paris Geek and post your feedback/concerns right there:
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=2783.msg12410#msg12410
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FYI - Move is different from copy in most contexts.
Of course, I know that there is a difference. 8)
Sorry about that. I offer support in various contexts and still run across folks who don't fully understand the difference. No disrespect intended 8)
Moving a message in AM can actually break Gmails default multi-tagging if one of the system folders is involved. But this is a minor issue in the grand scheme of email management. A nice refinement but not critical.
I'm not sure what you want to point out here.
I never had any issues in AquaMail with the "Move to folder..." action in my Gmail account in the past.
A couple examples:
- if an incoming message is pre-labeled via Gmail filter it will loose those label(s) when the move function is used in AquaMail
- moving a message from a 'system' Gmail folder (eg: sent) does just that - potentially making it more difficult to find at a later time
It is important to note AquaMail is performing the move function properly; no issues there! Copy would add new dimension (and associated complexity) that might provide better support for multi-tagging in Gmail.
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@Davey126
Maybe it's worth to have a look into this thread from Paris Geek and post your feedback/concerns right there:
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=2783.msg12410#msg12410
Thank you - I will take a look.
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It is important to note AquaMail is performing the move function properly; no issues there! Copy would add new dimension (and associated complexity) that might provide better support for multi-tagging in Gmail.
Davey126:
Thanks for your explanations. Yes, I understand and agree with your thoughts that "Copy would add a new dimension..." in complexity in managing messages for AquaMail.
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Well, the action "Move to folder..." is already implemented in AquaMail.
"Move" is not an option for what I'd like to do. Let me explain how I operate. I use Gmail's "Multiple Inbox" lab feature and use labels: To Do, Awaiting Reply, Read, etc. And I have multiple clients each with a different label: HCA, VSA, McD, etc. So I want to view the "To Do" folder and also easily see what needs to be done, for example, for McD. Gmail allows for this with multi-tagging. Now that conversation view option is implemented, the addition of a multi-tag option would make Aqua Mail absolute perfection for me.
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Well, the action "Move to folder..." is already implemented in AquaMail.
"Move" is not an option for what I'd like to do. Let me explain how I operate.
My statement was just a reply to Davey126's previous post... 8)
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My statement was just a reply to Davey126's previous post...
Understood. Just trying to fully explain what I'd love to see implemented.
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Re: Still, you seem concerned about AquaMail on 6.0. What should I do or look for? I'm not really certain exactly what issues you're worried about.
Yes, and mostly about Doze mode and its impact on push mail.
At this point, if the user actually accepts "excluding AquaMail from battery optimizations", scheduled mail checks should work fine, even in Doze more (every 15 minutes or more apart, this is imposed by Android).
However, properly maintaining push mail connections in Doze mode just doesn't seem possible -- even Google's own VPN service has issues with that.
And that's where they want all apps to work off of their Google Cloud Messaging, which I'm most likely not going to do.
In terms of testing, I've got a Nexus 5 with 6.0 in front of me (and will update a Nexus 7 tablet to it sooner or later, the OTA is ready already) -- but any feedback is welcome.
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And to clarify what I've done:
- Prompt the user to "exclude AquaMail from battery optimizations" -- if he/she accepts, then AquaMail uses Android 6's new functions which let the app wake up even in Doze mode and have access to the network. This is only possible if the app is set up by the user like that.
- More gracefully handle the device coming out of Doze mode and a delayed mail check time trigger kicking in -- perhaps just as the user's starting up the app -- ensuring that this delayed mail check actually runs.
As far as I can tell, there is not much else I can do.
I'm also somewhat concerned about "application standby mode"...
...which is like Doze mode, but not system wide as Doze is, rather it's per-app where the system decides "gee, the user doesn't seem to use this app that much" and also blocks network access / time based events.
Hopefully this is decided over a fairly long stretch of time, not a hour or two... So that actually running the app would keep it from happening.
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I have 6.0 on a Nexus 4, Nexus 7 and soon a couple of Nexus 6's. I'll see how they work with/without AquaMail excluded from Doze mode (optimized/not optimized) and let you know if anything odd happens.
Agree that you probably have done about all you can to adapt AquaMail to Doze.
Agree completely about Google Cloud Messaging. And along the same line, with your position regarding cloud-based email clients. Keep AquaMail as it is. It's a terrific piece of software.
Android since v1.0. Linux since 2001
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It is important to note AquaMail is performing the move function properly; no issues there! Copy would add new dimension (and associated complexity) that might provide better support for multi-tagging in Gmail.
Davey126:
Thanks for your explanations. Yes, I understand and agree with your thoughts that "Copy would add a new dimension..." in complexity in managing messages for AquaMail.
Appreciate the discussion on this topic. After reviewing the suggested links and comparing to my experiences (don't always match but close enough) I come away with the following perspective:
- the available folder management/view functions work as intended (thanks to @Paris Geek for the detailed post)
- it would be nice to have 'copy to folder' capability but is not a 'requirement' (at least for me)
- a view showing multi-folder assignments and the associated tools to managed folder 'tags' would be great in concept but would likely add layers of complexity to an already busy UI and probably would not see wide-spread use.
Proposing new functionality can be polarizing (think Conversations) with proponents/opponents engaging in endless debate. While I personally maintain an extensive folder hierarchy with occasional double tagging I can easily use the Gmail web interface to accomplish my goals.
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Re: nice to have 'move to folder' capability
"move" is already there, I guess you meant "copy"? There is no "copy" sorry, and no Gmail tags management.
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Re: nice to have 'move to folder' capability
"move" is already there, I guess you meant "copy"? There is no "copy" sorry, and no Gmail tags management.
Yep - sorry about the typo. I'll correct in the original post.
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Re: Move and copy between accounts please
No problem. By tonight.
Now if you re-read my original message in this thread, you'll see that there is a plan of sorts.
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Copy to folder could be a good idea. I have following scenario
I move mail that u need to work on later to "to - do" folder. Share it with task or calender and put reminder. Unfortunately, I use pop3, on outlook desktop and my Zimbra sync only inbox, so moved message from mobile to to-do folder is not downloaded on outlook., unless I move them back to inbox.
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I apologize for my English Elementary
Since we can not have push on exchange, I suggest you this possibility:
1- synchronize emails to INBOX (or some selected folders) 1,2,3..10 every 15 minutes ...
2- synchronize all other folders with the default configuration
two types of synchronization, only for a inbox and one for the other folders
this way, if I decide to synchronize every 1 minute inbox, other folders will not be synchronized, or they can expect to sync only as provided in paragraph 2
made myself clear ?
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It would be appropriate to have a reset button that allows you to restore the initial conditions of AM without deleting accounts.
That would be much appreciated power to backup only accounts.
Separately back up settings AM, and also be able to restore only accounts or configuration. It would be nice to be able to do the restore of some accounts and some not.
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Re: That would be much appreciated power to backup only accounts
It is possible to back up only accounts and not settings.
Re: It would be nice to be able to do the restore of some accounts and some not
If you'd restored too many, it's pretty easy to delete the ones you don't need (before checking mail in them).
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Please don't put encryption at the end of your list. Not only me, I think, need it and are forced to run a second application like R2Mail2.
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Sure, thank you for feedback.
I will put everything at the *beginning* of the list.
And then I can run around hitting walls with my head, my arms flailing, and screaming loudly -- "where is my development team, are they on vacation or drunk or something? where are all these people?????"
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"where is my development team, are they on vacation or drunk or something? where are all these people?????"
You should tell them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75SEy1qu71I
:P
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Re: You should tell them
I would. Trouble is, I can't find them!
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I've got just the one wish at the moment: I would like to be able to add email addresses to a "show their plaintext emails in monospace" list. This would help quite a bit with for example cron mails on my servers.
Thanks for this awesome app, my family has been using it for many years :)
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Android mail competition would have to double their functionality and quadruple their customer service response to even reach the halfway point of Aquamail. I'll let others do the needed math. But, what I do not understand is why the competition has not just rolled over and surrendered.
Aquamail is my most used app!
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Yes, the popular mail apps are mostly cloud based (with the notable exception of Boxer, and Google's own Gmail app itself for non-Gmail accounts) and it works well for them.
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First, Google made life very difficult for non-cloud based apps in Android 6, and it's only a matter of time before everyone runs that version (at least, or some Android 9). Same as now there are very few devices in use running < 4.0.3.
Second, most people don't seem to mind, or are even aware.
Well, I didn't know about that, as I use android kitkat without google account - and never will use one nor any cloud based data apps (email, word, excel, whatever) for data security reason. this is why I never have an account of google, facebook or similar on my devices.
therefore, I am one of those who will continue using your great app ;)
(especially but not only when it got s/mime support ;D)
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btw, what does ...in Google Play, at 5%
mean?
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Re: in Google Play, at 5%
Means the update is visible from 5% of all devices, randomly picked by Google.
Let's me see if there are any issues and fix them before enabling the update for everyone.
Next planned step is to go to 10% mid-week.
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thanks for explanation :)