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Title: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on August 10, 2014, 05:01:17 pm
I have seen few new launches of e mail application,  which comes with mail inbox management.

Until now the mail application has been focused on bringing the mail as efficiently and as effectively as possible from server.  What I feel now is that,  all mail application now focusing on INBOX MANAGEMENT,  the stage after pooling the mail in the application
Following are example

1. Transferring to folders
2. Snoozing
3. Assigning mail to some one
4. Defining action on each mail like to work on today,  tomorrow,  next week or on custom date. 
5. Defining actions on mails. 

This is certainly a value addition to for the application user
 
To cite few examples,  few email application which offers many or all of the above features

1. Blue mail
2. Boxer
3. BLOOMBERG (they coming up with imap support soon)
4. Mail box
5. More than mail.
6. IQTELL (combining GTD application with mail box to achieve mail box management)
And few more.

The purpose of this post is not comparing aquamail with any one,  as aquamail is the best for what it is designed for so far.

The purpose of this post is the discuss the future trends in mail application and how things are shaping up.  Perhaps it may help kotsya shape   his future plans over a time period. 

I have been member of few forums of these applications,  and people seems to be appreciating.  Do you all too feel the same way or,  it is just a fad,  like some one has started,  and all are following mindlessly  lol.

Just a food for thought.

Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on August 10, 2014, 06:28:27 pm
Yes,  that was the objective of the post.  I do not expect that the set priority be changed  but just wanted to share the market trend as you have rightly mentioned. 
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: Fcasoli on August 10, 2014, 09:28:36 pm
I appreciate this post for personal information and because I think the market must be listen, very often product specifications are from market and less from inventor, for example I can take advantage to have actions on messages, I use unread state to remember to do, but one event in my calendar could be very nice...


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Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: Fcasoli on August 10, 2014, 09:44:29 pm
Thanks for this suggestion, I do not know so Aquamail...


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Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: mikeone on August 10, 2014, 10:26:02 pm

Currently, AquaMail allows the user to send an email as a to do list (+set an alarm on a specific date and time, +set priority, etc.) This existing function is very powerful (though this is not a complete snooze ability). You can try it: open a message, go to menu , then share, send to your calendar /to do app. If you want to use Evernote, it is on Google Play. Your feedback will enrich this discussion.

Paris,
Thank you. I was not aware of this possibility by Aquamail. Great!
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on August 10, 2014, 10:53:04 pm
As Paris mentioned,  I use extensively sharing my mail with calender and to do application,  this works beautifully,  message Subject becomes title and body goes into note.  It reminds you tidy this mail has to work upon.  Once reminded  you need to go back to aquamail find the mail and act on it.  To make the process simple  I created folders on server with tag like to-do,  reply today ,  reply later.  I transfer the mail to the approporiate folders and then share with to-do application for reminder.  This way I have work around for inbuilt snoozing facility.  This works flawlessly,  hope this will be helpful to others too
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on August 10, 2014, 11:16:40 pm
I am pasting few pic  to explain
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on August 10, 2014, 11:27:26 pm
This is the underlying concept of inbox management,  which is taking shape,  which made me start this post




http://www.listenmoneymatters.com/inbox-zero-will-save-your-life/
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on August 10, 2014, 11:41:15 pm
@paras.desai -- very nice write-up.

Yes, I am aware of these new trends:

Automatic filtering for advertisements / promotions / social, etc. (funny that Google doesn't make those folders accessible via IMAP); actions (cards) based on sender / content to automate tasks.

Regrettably, I just don't have the bandwidth to take on those right now.

Another trend is cloud-based mail collection. I used to think that privacy issues (one more place where your mail is stored and which you don't control) would matter here, but seems like it they don't (at least two or three very popular, new, mail apps work like that).

Now, "mailbox zero" sounds like bullshit to me, sorry.
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: Fcasoli on August 11, 2014, 12:40:30 am
I'm using Informant for events, tasks, notes, but I cannot "export" email messages in Calendar without lost the entire text or task without issue, the result is a lot of tasks because the text is totally pasted in task title.....
I do not want to add Evernote to my long list of apps...
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on August 11, 2014, 01:20:12 am
>> cannot "export" email messages in Calendar without lost the entire text or task without issue

Are you talking about "Add to Calendar" in AquaMail, or in this other app?
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: Fcasoli on August 11, 2014, 01:29:13 am
>> cannot "export" email messages in Calendar without lost the entire text or task without issue

Are you talking about "Add to Calendar" in AquaMail, or in this other app?
If I select "copy to Calendar", I can decide is use inside Calendar or Informant, the first choice is possible, but not with Informant, I do not find new event created...
I must create the event in stock Calendar, to find inside Informant....
It is not a big proble, but I would like to add the event directly using Informant...
If you select to share, and after you select Informant, the first document is a new task, you can convert to event but you lost the text of email as a note... The result is a new event in Informant with tite only.

ciao
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on August 11, 2014, 01:30:22 am
Oh my. Sounds like something you should try reporting to Informant support :)
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: Fcasoli on August 11, 2014, 01:37:49 am
Oh my. Sounds like something you should try reporting to Informant support :)
Yest, I think the same, the problem is Informant Staff is on iOS more than Android (because in USA Apple wins over Android...) and the support is low, I done a TO DO list, to improve Informant with same features I remember in Windows Monile versione and better, but the replay was to wait...
Informant is a very interesting platform, good level but not complete for me, I want the perfection and with some days of work, could be possible...

Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: Fcasoli on August 11, 2014, 01:47:24 am
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Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: mikeone on August 11, 2014, 09:45:02 am
@Fcasoli
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Currently, AquaMail allows the user to send an email as a to do list (+set an alarm on a specific date and time, +set priority, etc.) This existing function is very powerful (though this is not a complete snooze ability). You can try it: open a message, go to menu , then share, send to your calendar /to do app. If you want to use Evernote, it is on Google Play. Your feedback will enrich this discussion.

@Kostya,
My suggestion is to shortening this workflow [open a message, go to menu , then share, send to your calendar /to do app] by a swipe'n-fire action "send to calendar ...".
How do you think about this?

Mikeone
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: Soko on August 11, 2014, 09:48:33 am
Hello,

I'd too would like this and perhaps that could be a function for the swipe left/right options?

Ciao,
Joachim

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Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on August 11, 2014, 03:56:45 pm
Mailbox zero go with GTD (GETTING THINGS DONE)  concept, which is bit complicated to implement with smart folder option.  But very much possible by creating different folders as I mentioned in my post.  If you wish to fully experience this concept   please try using IQTELL,  I do not like IQTELL as it stores my mail on their server,  which I am not ready.  Zero mail box is too ambitious and not worth efforts for Developer while considering other important priority
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on August 11, 2014, 04:24:37 pm
Agreed,  thanks Paris
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on August 11, 2014, 07:02:18 pm
Agreed with respect to priority,  but would not agree with your views on utility  of zero box,  or inbox management. 
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on August 11, 2014, 07:56:35 pm
Yes yes,  no hurry at all,  let us allow kostya to have his vodka  and his priority list,  he is best with these two,  hahaha  ,  thanks Bro
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: mikeone on August 11, 2014, 08:23:23 pm
@Fcasoli
...
Currently, AquaMail allows the user to send an email as a to do list (+set an alarm on a specific date and time, +set priority, etc.) This existing function is very powerful (though this is not a complete snooze ability). You can try it: open a message, go to menu , then share, send to your calendar /to do app. If you want to use Evernote, it is on Google Play. Your feedback will enrich this discussion.

@Kostya,
My suggestion is to shortening this workflow [open a message, go to menu , then share, send to your calendar /to do app] by a swipe'n-fire action "send to calendar ...".
How do you think about this?

Mikeone

@Fcasoli
@paras.desai
@Paris Geek

How do you think about a extension for the "swipe'n fire" commands (left/right options) with a "Send to..." action ?
An impairment of usefulness could be that the user has to trigger such action already out of the mail list view and not after opening the mail (text view).
However it could be a useful (maybe unique) enhancement for Aquamail's swiping feature.

I am very interested in your opinion.

Mikeone

Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: mikeone on August 11, 2014, 08:58:20 pm
@Paris Geek,

Thank you for your (background) explanation. I fully understand what Kostya pointed out.
So let's see if he could find a brilliant solution to implement this in AM (I'm sure he will find a pragmatic way...) :)

Mikeone
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on August 11, 2014, 09:02:31 pm
I agree with your idea,  I have lots of idea as layman,  and wishlist.  But I am holding them (no other option too,  haha) ,  acknowledging the fact that,  kostya is one man,  he has already lined up his task list.  Only request to him at this stage is to note   down our wishes in nice,  new durable notebook to read at an opportune time. 
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on August 15, 2014, 12:13:19 pm
Till kostya take up inbuilt snoozing,  we need to be creative
 A combination of widget,  mail counter and move to folder,  can keep staring at you to remind your task if from your home screen
Please see below image,  posting,  as may be helpful to others
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on August 17, 2014, 02:20:14 am
Can I go for a swim and lounge on that beach (your home screen) instead? :)
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on August 17, 2014, 06:28:15 am
Yes,  sure,  but remember,  in that to-do,  few of my request sittings,  so  do not go for too long
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on December 27, 2014, 03:27:07 pm
Any chance of starting some work in this department? 
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on December 27, 2014, 05:25:11 pm
If some prefer pop,  which I doubt,  it can be like  "either pop or snooz",  if some one wish to choose.  Yes,  Wish and hope this can. Be priority 3 item on kostya list :-
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: pyler on December 27, 2014, 06:54:53 pm
Well, I would agree with sidebar with options which are currently in menu. Swipe from right to left to open it. (Something like nav drawer but on the opposite side)
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: mikeone on December 27, 2014, 08:13:49 pm
Any chance of starting some work in this department?
I would strongly recommend snoozing approach and message functions (along with filter mails, reply/send to agenda/evernote by swiping, etc), just after exchange enhancement and conversation mode.

Snoozing would be built using partially current "Hide" feature. With adding this feature, I suggest to remove POP mode (source of problems and misunderstandings to many users).

This would lead to v2.0 of AquaMail ;)

I agree with Paris Geek's suggestion to await the exchange extensions (v1.6) and implementation of optional "conversation mode" (v1.7) first.

Maybe it could be possible for Kostya to enhance the "Rich text editor" during his work on these versions.

By changing the editor bar into a "swiping bar" (swipe the bar manually to the left or to the right to see more format icons) with some requested extensions like

Insert/Remove Numbered List
    1. - - - -
    2. - - - -
Create Numbered Lists.

Insert/Remove Bulleted List
    •  - - - -
    •  - - - -
Create Bulleted Lists.

Decrease Indent
   <-| - - -
Decrease the paragraph indent.

Increase Indent
   ->| - - -
Increase the paragraph indent.

For business users (which are usually using Exchange Web Services "EWS") this should be a really useful feature .
See the following thread:
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=3147.0
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: mikeone on July 12, 2015, 02:01:18 pm
Well, I would agree with sidebar with options which are currently in menu. Swipe from right to left to open it. (Something like nav drawer but on the opposite side)
@Pyler,
A kind of your suggestion has been implemented in the recent dev-build 1.5.9-37-dev3:
> "Floating context bar"
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=3735.msg18904#msg18904
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: pyler on July 12, 2015, 02:08:08 pm
Yes, g8
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on November 23, 2015, 05:43:33 am
I have one strong suggesions,  which when I made in past,  was advised to wait till conversation mode is implemented, now it is through,  I am proposing again.  This is about snoozing facility without involving cloud.  Aquamail offers great functionality to share mail as either calender event or task.  Once done,  it kind of "snoozes"  through that application.  The only drawback is that,  then we have to go back to aquamail and search for the application manually.  My suggestion was,  WHEN SHARING APPLICATION IF AQUAMAIL CAN GENERATE THE MAIL LINK IN EITHER TO DO OR CALENDER,  then it will be very easy to go back to mail box directly by clicking the link.  I think while tracking the specific mail id,  as implemented in conversation mode,  this should be possible. 
For a business mail user,  this feature is of immense help.  Thanks

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Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: StR on November 24, 2015, 03:36:20 am
Throughout the day today, I was thinking about that suggestions about a reference from the calendar to the particular e-mail message. I have no idea is that's technically feasible, so, I am not discussing that.

But I was thinking about a different aspect of it. In many cases, the calendar(s) that people use is(are) shared between different platforms/devices (e.g. Google Calendar, Android, Thunerbird/Lightning).
Obviously, the links stored in the calendar wouldn't work on other devices/platforms. And they would like like some gibberish. So, is that OK, sort of "passable"?
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on November 24, 2015, 05:49:58 am
This link was kind of in device snoozing.  While sharing calender with other,  the same is shared after striping off the link..  For layman like us,  this is a simple looking,  and easier said than done.  Of course it needs more sensible and technical evaluation
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on November 25, 2015, 09:24:42 pm
I'm just not sure how I could generate a persistent link to a specific message -- also consider that the calendar may sync to multiple devices -- and also that the referenced message could get trimmed from the device (over time), with the calendar item remaining...
Title: Re: New trend in mail application
Post by: paras.desai on November 26, 2015, 06:04:00 am
Yes, you have  a point here

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