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Title: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 27, 2014, 10:09:47 pm
I have the latest build.
All Emails that are downloaded by the s/w are downloaded without the JPG attachments.
Downloading those emails by my PC client shows all the attachments.
WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ?
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: Rapsody10 on December 27, 2014, 10:45:41 pm
There is a setting to choose weather you want to retrieve images when using 3g or not I would assume you have it ticked
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 27, 2014, 11:45:04 pm
I can't find it...
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 27, 2014, 11:56:48 pm
Show linked....?
It is already marked.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: mikeone on December 28, 2014, 12:08:50 am
I have the latest build.
All Emails that are downloaded by the s/w are downloaded without the JPG attachments.
Downloading those emails by my PC client shows all the attachments.
WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ?

There is a setting to choose weather you want to retrieve images when using 3g or not I would assume you have it ticked

@WHY ? WHY ? WHY ?WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ?
First of all: Your request is NOT a bug 8)

You can proof the settings for attachments here:
> Long press on account name > Options and folders > Preload > Attachments, ... > you can set different sizes for WiFi,  3G+ and 2G

Please repeat these steps for each account.

For details see attached screenshots (the first one will be shown after "long press on account name")
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 28, 2014, 06:45:11 am
After Options and folders I DON'T HAVE the Preload option.
1. help...
2.Account options
3.Composing & sending
4. pop3 options
5. Folders
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 28, 2014, 08:44:33 am
Only thing that was different is the command batch size.
Changed it from small to large.
Yet no images arrive with the email.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 28, 2014, 09:00:43 am
IMAP is not an option with the servers I use.
Why should I remove the account ? why changing those parameters isn't enough ?
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 28, 2014, 09:36:25 am
IMAP can't work with the server.
Deleted the account & added it again.
No change - same behavior.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 28, 2014, 09:41:10 am
Same behavior is experienced with Wi-Fi & over cellular network.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: mikeone on December 28, 2014, 01:04:22 pm
Same behavior is experienced with Wi-Fi & over cellular network.

@drukman:
Creating and sending debug logs for in-depth diagnostics: http://www.aqua-mail.com/?page_id=232

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Please send the log file to kmansoft / at sign / gmail / dot com (and disable logging afterwards). The log filed is called log-AquaMail.txt and is stored at the root of your device’s memory card or large built-in storage.

As of 1.2.5.0, attaching logs is easy: there is a menu item for this in the compose window (last one).

The log does not contain your email account passwords.

Important:
Please set a link to this topic in your email:
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=3155.0

Thanks.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: andrewilley on December 28, 2014, 01:26:27 pm
And for the record, this behaviour is a normal anti-spam measure for email programs, and should ideally be left as the default IMHO. If all messages are set to auto-display linked images, then spammers can detect as soon as their linked image is downloaded from their server, and so they know they've found a live email address that is being read by a person. Best to avoid letting them know this if you can.

I have my AquaMail set to auto-display images from certain known email usernames only (it's very easy to update when you first receive a message from a new person, just tap on the prompt at the top of the message to set their email address as approved) but my default is set to not show images.

Andre
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: mikeone on December 28, 2014, 01:41:31 pm
@andrewilley:
Thank you for your detailed explanations regarding "embedded images".

But I'm still not sure if drukman did not rather have a problem only with the attachments:

I have the latest build.
All Emails that are downloaded by the s/w are downloaded without the JPG attachments .
Downloading those emails by my PC client shows all the attachments .
WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ?

However drukman switched later to (embedded?) images:

Only thing that was different is the command batch size.
Changed it from small to large.
Yet no images arrive with the email.

So for me it's not clear which issue he really has...  8) 8)
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 28, 2014, 02:06:11 pm
All
Here is an important update.

I just did something else:
1. Sent an email from Simple Mail (it's a Firefox add-on that acts as an email program)
2. Sent an email from outlook

I than tried to retrieved those emails by various mail programs.....
1. All managed to retrieve images from BOTH emails mentioned above (1 and 2).
2. Aqua mail managed to retrieve images only from the email sent by Outlook (number 2 above) BUT failed to retrieve the email sent by Simple Mail (number 1 above0.

To me it looks like messages sent by Simple Mail are "stripped" from some crucial info that Aqua Mail needs in order to fully download the image attachments.
Otherwise why other email clients can retrieve those email in full including the attached imaged while Aqua mail doesn't ?
Before answering please remember that Aqua mail managed to successfully download all images from emails sent by Outlook.

Drukman.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: mikeone on December 28, 2014, 02:06:32 pm
Do you think he has an issue with "lover bar" ? ;)

Nobody knows...

But seriously it's really a problem if you have to use POP3 with several devices... PC and mobil device... because of POP3's strange behavior in this situation...
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: mikeone on December 28, 2014, 02:22:28 pm
...
Before answering please remember that Aqua mail managed to successfully download all images from emails sent by Outlook.

Drukman.

@drukman:
Your information is very useful to clarify your request.
Nevertheless please send a debug log to the developer of AquaMail beforehand. You couldn't get a reasonable response without knowing what is going on.
Thanks.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: mikeone on December 28, 2014, 02:48:19 pm
All
Here is an important update.

I just did something else:
1. Sent an email from Simple Mail (it's a Firefox add-on that acts as an email program)
2. Sent an email from outlook

...

One more fact needs to clarify:

Whereto did you sent this two emails?
(> who is your webmail provider?)

Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 28, 2014, 03:00:34 pm
My ISP is bezeqint but I believe it's irrelevant.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: mikeone on December 28, 2014, 08:44:48 pm
My ISP is bezeqint but I believe it's irrelevant.

Thanks.
If you are logged in directly in your webmail account can you see all "embedded images" and "jpg attachments" in both emails -  sent from Simple Mail / Firefox "add-on" [1] and sent from Outlook [1]?

AND -  if not done already -;
Please send a debug log file to the developer as described in a previous post:
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=3155.msg15175#msg15175

Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on December 29, 2014, 01:17:25 am
Ahem. I'm the developer.

Let's do something simple first -- send a test message with JPEG attachments to kmansoft / gmail / dot / com.

It's entirely possible that this "add-on", not being an email app, encodes the attachments in some obscure way that I have not encountered before.

Once I have your test message, I will take a look and try to fix.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 29, 2014, 07:37:39 am
Ahem. I'm the developer.

Let's do something simple first -- send a test message with JPEG attachments to kmansoft / gmail / dot / com.

It's entirely possible that this "add-on", not being an email app, encodes the attachments in some obscure way that I have not encountered before.

Once I have your test message, I will take a look and try to fix.

Hi Kostya Vasilyev,
I believe this is the best way to tackle this issue.
I will send you an email from Simple Mail.
Title will be "Israel from outer space".
Yet for further analysis you can install the add-on on any Firefox client you have & test it again.
Drukman.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on December 30, 2014, 01:40:16 am
Thank you, got it.

Working as expected.

Every single one of those images is marked with:

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Content-Disposition: inline

And the message's top-level structure is:

Quote
Content-Type: multipart/related

This -- clearly and unambiguously -- means that the images are not attachments, but are embedded somewhere in message text (HTML).

They're actually not referenced anywhere in message text, but they are marked as such.

The developer of this Firefox add-on should spend some time reading the relevant documentation (RFCs), easy to find on the Internet. Or he could just send a message with a quality mail app or web mail (like Thunderbird or Gmail), and examine the message's source.

Or you could just forward him this:

For a message with attachments, the top-level structure should be:

Quote
Content-Type: multipart/mixed

And each attachment should have:

Quote
Content-Disposition: attachment


PS - thought I'd add something about "but it works with other apps".

There is a reason why there are technical standards for all kinds of things, including email messages.

It lets apps work with each other, without having to add workarounds in every app for every other app it might interact with.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: mikeone on December 30, 2014, 02:32:25 am
@Kostya
Thanks for your verification and factual explanation.
Great app anyway.

@drukman
A friendly note from my side:
Please be a little more careful in the future with the use of:

"WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ?"
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=3155.msg15158#msg15158
 
It may seem pushy for some. 8)

Nice evening to everyone.

Mikeone
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 30, 2014, 04:08:19 am

Yes mikeone you are correct - I am pushy.

Kostya Vasilyev - Simple Mail gets those emails to the server with the attachments. Your application fails in retrieving them while all other email clients succeed.

Thanks - (pushy) Drukman.

Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on December 30, 2014, 12:57:47 pm
>> Kostya Vasilyev - Simple Mail gets those emails to the server with the attachments

They are not attachments "on the server" (or anywhere else).

You sent me a sample message, the images are marked as "inline" (embedded) images. Not attachments.

NOT ATTACHMENTS

>> Your application fails in retrieving them

AquaMail processes those messages exactly the way it's supposed to -- based on the MIME headers in the message (and it has nothing else to work from).

THE HEADERS CLEARLY AND UNAMBIGUOUSLY INDICATE THAT THOSE IMAGES ARE INLINE (EMBEDDED), NOT ATTACHMENTS

>> all other email clients succeed

Some mail apps show embedded images -- where they should be (embedded in message text) -- and *also* as attachments.

Not all mail apps.

And I don't see the point of doing that -- it just looks messy.

But that's not what we should be discussing.

THOSE IMAGES, AS SIMPLE MAIL SENDS THEM, ARE MARKED AS INLINE IMAGES, NOT ATTACHMENTS

If you disagree, feel free to point me to the RELEVANT SPECS (RFCs), and stop this ALL OTHER MAIL APPS nonsense.

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MIME messages (multipart messages with images, files, HTML content) is not a very difficult matter.

And yet it's amazing how many people who write their own code to send such messages GET IT ALL WRONG, MAKING ALL KINDS OF MISTAKES.

The developer of Simple Mail needs to FIX THIS IN HIS APP, SO THAT ATTACHMENTS ARE MARKED AS ATTACHMENTS.

He just needs to READ SOME DOCUMENTATION or LOOK AT MESSAGES SENT BY ANY MAIL APP and CHANGE TWO LINES OF CODE.

And then HIS APP'S MESSAGES WILL NOT BE MALFORMED LIKE THEY ARE NOW.


-----------------------


See? My keyboard has a CAPS LOCK too.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: mikeone on December 30, 2014, 01:08:12 pm

Yes mikeone you are correct - I am pushy.

Kostya Vasilyev - Simple Mail gets those emails to the server with the attachments. Your application fails in retrieving them while all other email clients succeed.

Thanks - (pushy) Drukman.

@drukman
How about posting this issue directly to the developer from this not correct coded add-on which handles (encoding) the embedded images not as described by standard rules (RFCs)?
http://userlogos.org/forum/simplemail


PS - thought I'd add something about "but it works with other apps".

There is a reason why there are technical standards for all kinds of things, including email messages.

It lets apps work with each other, without having to add workarounds in every app for every other app it might interact with.

And again because of "all other email clients succeed".
Obviously not:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=2497499&start=180

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Simple Mail 2.86.7 attachment not seen by recipient
i regularly have some recipients asking me to again send a mail, sent using SM2.86.7 (*), because they answer not finding the attached document.
I then have no other solution than to use the webmail facilities of my internet provider to resend the mail and its attachment; or also mailing a printed copy + stick stamps + bringing it to a Post office ... :D . Till now,I have been hating using another mail client than SimpleMail  :wink: .

And also again: Your request is not a bug in Aquamail..it's definitely a bug in this "simple (mail)" Firefox add-on. Therefore please address this issue where it can be solved and that's also definitely not here.

Thank you for your understanding.
Mikeone
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 30, 2014, 01:32:27 pm
Lets focus only on what happened:
Aqua mail failed to download images that Microsoft outlook downloaded ok. Simply failed.
Following your recommendations I decided to post this issue directly to the developer of  Microsoft outlook which handles the embedded images not as described by standard rules (RFCs).
Remember - according to you guys they are not following the RFC ! Following your logic they should explain why ! Following your logic they should FIX outlook ! Currently they are bad boys !

Again in order to clarify.
Simple Mail in my case does very good job & never fails in sending the email.
It's Aqua Mail that fails getting them.

One last thing....
Kostya why do you use so much red in your writing ?
It feels a bit Pushy to me.  ;)

Drukman.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: mikeone on December 30, 2014, 01:39:30 pm

Again in order to clarify.
Simple Mail in my case does very good job & never fails in sending the email.
It's Aqua Mail that fails getting them.

Drukman.

Sorry but you are wrong again "never fails in sending..."
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=2497499&start=180

And also your decision is wrong to post this issue directly to the developer of Microsoft outlook:
The Firefox add-on is the app which definitely fails!
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: andrewilley on December 30, 2014, 01:51:15 pm
Simple Mail in my case does very good job & never fails in sending the email.

No, Simple Mail does NOT do a very good job in this particular case - it uses invalid encoding as Kostya has explained to you (and very patiently I might add). Just because some other programs re-interpret this incorrect coding and find a way to handle it does not make it (or them) correct.

AquaMail's approach of ignoring images that are marked specifically for inline-only use until such point that the document requests that they be inserted is absolutely the correct way to handle them according to the spec.

Now, if you rephrase your demands along the lines of "I know these emails are not being generated correctly, but until that fault can be fixed I wonder if some sort of workaround might be possible" then you might get somewhere. However as Kostya points out, you are complaining about an app which is working exactly as the spec requires it to, instead of complaining about one which does not.

Andre
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 30, 2014, 01:57:38 pm
mikeone - you are wrong again.
Read carefully....
In my case only Aqua Mail fails. It's only Aqua mail that fails.

P.S.
Just got an answer from Microsoft.
According to them Aqua Mail should be fixed.
They can't understand what is it that you guys want from them.
"RFC's or IEEE out application works so what those Aqua Mail people want from us ?"
"It's Aqua Mail not working so why don't they do anything about it ?"

I always thought Microsoft people are funny.
How come they don't get it that their application isn't following the RFC and.....simply works.
Drukman.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: Kostya Vasilyev on December 30, 2014, 03:36:09 pm
@drunkman --

I never said anything about Outlook doing anything wrong.

The issue is in Simple Mail. Its developer doesn't know how to properly encode attachments, simple (haha) as that.

I'll try it again, since you seem to have liked my use of CAPS and RED.

THE ISSUE IS WITH SIMPLE MAIL NOT ENCODING ATTACHMENTS PROPERLY

WHY? WHY? WHY? HOW? HOW? HOW CAN THE DEVELOPER OF SIMPLE MAIL NOT KNOW THE RIGHT WAY TO ENCODE ATTACHMENTS?

@mike - excellent, thank you.

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=2497499&start=180

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i regularly have some recipients asking me to again send a mail, sent using SM2.86.7 (*), because they answer not finding the attached document.
I then have no other solution than to use the webmail facilities of my internet provider to resend the mail and its attachment; or also mailing a printed copy + stick stamps + bringing it to a Post office ... :D . Till now,I have been hating using another mail client than SimpleMail  :wink: .

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=2497499&start=120

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-Attachments: I sent about 15 megs of video MP4s to a gmail and AOL account. The user found no attachments while looking through their iPhone 4s Safari at their web mail in both cases. The message preview indicates attachments.

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=2497499&start=90

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Another issue:
Some recipient using Evolution 3.6.2-0ubuntu0.1 Mail-Client do not even see attached pieces

A "problem in AquaMail only". Rrrright.

---

Last night I sent a message about all this to the developer of Simple Mail.

If he reads his mail, and understands the issue, and has any inclination to fix it... then he might. If he doesn't....

---

And that's it for me. I have nothing more to add and nothing to fix on my side.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 30, 2014, 03:56:47 pm
Can't understand what you want from Simple Mail dev.
After all - each & every application manage to download the files from the server.
Aqua Mail didn't.
I hope my point is clear.
Sorry for not using the red at all - nevertheless it's very impressive when you use it.
Drukman.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: mikeone on December 30, 2014, 07:32:32 pm
Can't understand what you want from Simple Mail dev.
After all - each & every application manage to download the files from the server.
Aqua Mail didn't.
I hope my point is clear.
Sorry for not using the red at all - nevertheless it's very impressive when you use it.
Drukman.

@drukman
Where is your problem of not understanding what the Simple Mail developer has to be done?

It's surely not our fault if you couldn't read carefully all posts - even bold or redmarked - we wrote previously and pointed out, that the issue is definitely by the incorrect coding of Simple Mail...not by Microsoft Outlook and also not...repeated: not by Aquamail.
However it also could be that you are not willing to understand the outpointed facts - even outpointed by yourself... Nobody knows  8)

Quote from your own post:
All
Here is an important update.

I just did something else:
1. Sent an email from Simple Mail (it's a Firefox add-on that acts as an email program)
2. Sent an email from outlook

I than tried to retrieved those emails by various mail programs.....
1. All managed to retrieve images from BOTH emails mentioned above (1 and 2).
2. Aqua mail managed to retrieve images only from the email sent by Outlook (number 2 above) BUT failed to retrieve the email sent by Simple Mail (number 1 above0.

To me it looks like messages sent by Simple Mail are "stripped" from some crucial info that Aqua Mail needs in order to fully download the image attachments.
Otherwise why other email clients can retrieve those email in full including the attached imaged while Aqua mail doesn't ?
Before answering please remember that Aqua mail managed to successfully download all images from emails sent by Outlook.

Drukman.

So why do you ignore for yourself? WHY? WHY? WHY?
It seems ridiculous to me.

Let me try to explain the outpointed facts again:

(1) sending by Simple Mail, downloading by Aquamail > retrieving embedded images failed
(2) sending by Microsoft Outlook, downloading by Aquamail > successfully downloading from all images by Aquamail

Therefore no bug by Microsoft Outlook > this client is sending embedded images as intended by standards (RFCs)
Why did you address an issue to there developers? WHY? There was and is no reason for.
> no recommendation from no one here in the forum!

Also no bug by Aquamail > Aqua mail managed to successfully download all images from emails sent by Outlook
Both programms are working as intended: Outlook as sending client; Aquamail (only) as a mobile app (the "real" recipient client is your webmail provider: bezeqint)
> because Aquamail handles embedded images as intended by standard (RFCs)

But wrong implementation by Simple Mail > as this programm uses incorrect code for embedded images when sending a message.

> not encoding attachments properly is the one and only issue!

Please be aware of Kostya's factual explanations in his post:
http://www.aqua-mail.com/forum/index.php?topic=3155.msg15221#msg15221

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This -- clearly and unambiguously -- means that the images are not attachments, but are embedded somewhere in message text (HTML).

They're actually not referenced anywhere in message text, but they are marked as such.

Now you should be in the position to understand the real issue - also already mentioned in Kostya's previous post:

Quote
The developer of this Firefox add-on should spend some time reading the relevant documentation (RFCs), easy to find on the Internet. Or he could just send a message with a quality mail app or web mail (like Thunderbird or Gmail), and examine the message's source.

Puh...it's really tiring to help someone who is continuously ignoring outpointed facts.

I'm finished now.
Mikeone
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: andrewilley on December 31, 2014, 12:56:56 pm
Can't understand what you want from Simple Mail dev.

Please read Kostya's earlier email which explained the issue in perfect detail:

Every single one of those images is marked with:

Quote
Content-Disposition: inline

And the message's top-level structure is:

Quote
Content-Type: multipart/related

For a message with attachments, the top-level structure should be:

Quote
Content-Type: multipart/mixed

And each attachment should have:

Quote
Content-Disposition: attachment

There is a reason why there are technical standards for all kinds of things, including email messages.

It lets apps work with each other, without having to add workarounds in every app for every other app it might interact with.

Kostya: I wonder if a workaround might be possible by checking to see if any intended inline images have not been referenced from within the message body after it has been fully parsed and rendered, and if so treat them as regular attached files instead? I assume that's what other apps might be doing to fix this issue, as I'm guessing they must have seen it from their users too. However as you say, this is really not your problem but the sending software's fault, although maybe if that can be done without much extra work for you if might be worth considering? Happy New Year to you by the way, and thanks for all the excellent support you provide.

Andre
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 31, 2014, 02:43:46 pm

Kostya: I wonder if a workaround might be possible by checking to see if any intended inline images have not been referenced from within the message body after it has been fully parsed and rendered, and if so treat them as regular attached files instead? I assume that's what other apps might be doing to fix this issue, as I'm guessing they must have seen it from their users too. However as you say, this is really not your problem but the sending software's fault, although maybe if that can be done without much extra work for you if might be worth considering? Happy New Year to you by the way, and thanks for all the excellent support you provide.

Andre

Andre,
Your comment sum it all (this is what this discussion is about from the start).
Kostya doesn't want to do what other apps did.
He is smarter & he knows best what should & shouldn't be done.  ;D
So so regarding the software BUT what a great educator.  :P
Drukman.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: mikeone on December 31, 2014, 03:58:09 pm
@drukman
I'm a little shocked by your reaction.

I have the latest build.
All Emails that are downloaded by the s/w are downloaded without the JPG attachments.
Downloading those emails by my PC client shows all the attachments.
WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ?

You start with asking WHY? ... and you got the answer from Kostya with his detailed and factual post - shortly after he received your test email sent by "Simple Mail":

Thank you, got it.

Working as expected.

Every single one of those images is marked with:

Quote
Content-Disposition: inline

And the message's top-level structure is:

Quote
Content-Type: multipart/related

This -- clearly and unambiguously -- means that the images are not attachments, but are embedded somewhere in message text (HTML).

They're actually not referenced anywhere in message text, but they are marked as such.

The developer of this Firefox add-on should spend some time reading the relevant documentation (RFCs), easy to find on the Internet. Or he could just send a message with a quality mail app or web mail (like Thunderbird or Gmail), and examine the message's source.

Or you could just forward him this:

For a message with attachments, the top-level structure should be:

Quote
Content-Type: multipart/mixed

And each attachment should have:

Quote
Content-Disposition: attachment


PS - thought I'd add something about "but it works with other apps".

There is a reason why there are technical standards for all kinds of things, including email messages.

It lets apps work with each other, without having to add workarounds in every app for every other app it might interact with.

Afterwards you restarted with an annoying wrong statement - ignoring the outpointed facts in his answer :


Yes mikeone you are correct - I am pushy.

Kostya Vasilyev - Simple Mail gets those emails to the server with the attachments. Your application fails in retrieving them while all other email clients succeed.

Thanks - (pushy) Drukman.

What's so hard to understand?

> the one and only app who fails is this curious Firefox add-on "Simple Mail" whose developer simply made a faulty implementation to encode attachments properly....  in defiance of standards (RFCs)

Are you really requesting that each mail app / mail client out there has to implement a workaround, just because of one faulty add-on which encodes attachments not properly? Is that what you expect? Seriously?

For me it sounds a kind of weird logic... and it's just pushy,

Kostya has a lot of other more useful things on his schedule.. instead of implementation of workarounds for faulty other apps.

BTW:
Kostya is the sole developer of AquaMail and does not have the resources such as e.g. Microsoft and other pushed start-up companies with budgets of $millions.

Therefore please keep calm and do not call him as an educator. This is not only pushy it's offensive.  That is not him and it really repels me.

Mikeone
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: mikeone on December 31, 2014, 06:41:52 pm
@drukman
For all your constricted view did you ever noticed that Kostya already contacted the developer of "Simple Mail"?



---

Last night I sent a message about all this to the developer of Simple Mail.

If he reads his mail, and understands the issue, and has any inclination to fix it... then he might. If he doesn't....

---

And that's it for me. I have nothing more to add and nothing to fix on my side.



This should be not his job. He has done this kindly for you -  even though you are the user of this add-on -

And nevertheless you offends him. That's annoying and at least unworthy...  < just my 2 cents >

Mikeone
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 31, 2014, 08:16:39 pm
@drukman
For all your constricted view did you ever noticed that Kostya already contacted the developer of "Simple Mail"?
This should be not his job. He has done this kindly for you -  even though you are the user of this add-on -
And nevertheless you offends him. That's annoying and at least unworthy...  < just my 2 cents >
Mikeone

Mikeone
Your view is so constricted that I bet you expect the Simple Mail developer to dignify Kostya with an answer.
So here are my '2 cents" for you - he is not going even to dignify Kostya with an answer - and for a very good reason.
Drukman.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: andrewilley on December 31, 2014, 09:25:04 pm
Your view is so constricted that I bet you expect the Simple Mail developer to dignify Kostya with an answer.

That depends on whether the Simple Mail developer is interested in fixing the bug in his software or not. He might have more important stuff to do as well of course. Kostya has informed him (and you) of the issue anyway, now you'll just have to wait and see.

I have been hinting to you as to the right way to approach a developer with a request, but you insist on ignorantly abusing his responses, so quite frankly you deserve what you get (which, from the way you are carrying on, will probably be nothing).

Andre
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on December 31, 2014, 11:12:16 pm
Andre
It's not a bug - it's a huge malfunction.
It's not in Simple Mail - it's in aqua mail.
And that's why there will be no answer.
Wait & see.
Drukman.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: andrewilley on January 01, 2015, 01:11:01 pm
It's not in Simple Mail - it's in aqua mail.
And that's why there will be no answer.
Wait & see.

Great, so as you know so much about it I'm looking forward to seeing your own email app written and released quite soon now - it'll be such a relief not to have to use this buggy AquaMail again.

In the meantime, do feel free to carry on having this conversation with yourself if you decide to stay. Have a nice New Year.

Andre
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on January 01, 2015, 01:36:47 pm
Andre
Can you read ?
I am not using Aqua Mail since day one of the malfunction.
LOL - Drukman..
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: mikeone on January 01, 2015, 03:41:47 pm
@drukman
For all your constricted view did you ever noticed that Kostya already contacted the developer of "Simple Mail"?
This should be not his job. He has done this kindly for you -  even though you are the user of this add-on -
And nevertheless you offends him. That's annoying and at least unworthy...  < just my 2 cents >
Mikeone

Mikeone
Your view is so constricted that I bet you expect the Simple Mail developer to dignify Kostya with an answer.
So here are my '2 cents" for you - he is not going even to dignify Kostya with an answer - and for a very good reason.
Drukman.

@drukman
Don't be strange. The developer doesn't have to dignify Kostya. That's redecioules.

If he is an IT-expert - and of course he should - he will know what to do...fixing his Firefox add-on: just modifying two lines in his code to get it in accordance with technical standards (RFCs).
This will help not only the users of Aquamail - which would be the result for your pointless requirement - but also for all other mail clients / apps out there receiving messages (with attachments / embedded images) sent by "Simple Mail".
It is clearly visible for all readers: you have no idea of encoding...

Mikeone
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: mikeone on January 01, 2015, 03:48:30 pm
Andre
It's not a bug - it's a huge malfunction.
It's not in Simple Mail - it's in aqua mail.
And that's why there will be no answer.
Wait & see.
Drukman.
Andre
Can you read ?
I am not using Aqua Mail since day one of the malfunction.
LOL - Drukman..

@drukman
These responses are showing your ignorance in total.
Thank you!
 8)  8)

You are so FUNNY  :D
> more than 360, 450, 3,000 views for this thread: congratulations > Great entertainment!

...and Happy New Year to all

Mikeone
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on January 01, 2015, 06:25:36 pm
Andre
Sitting here for the last 10 minutes thinking who is more ignorance & dumb - you or Kostya.
Truly can't make up my mind.  :P
HAPPY NEW YEAR !
Drukman.
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: andrewilley on January 02, 2015, 03:39:21 am
Sitting here for the last 10 minutes thinking who is more ignorance & dumb - you or Kostya.
Truly can't make up my mind.  :P
HAPPY NEW YEAR !

And a very Happy New Year to you also, I do hope you manage to make your mind up soon. (For the record, I have already made my own mind up on the subject of who is the most ignorant and dumb poster in this thread...)

Andre

[Note to self: I really must dig out that "Do not feed the trolls" notice which I used to have above my monitor]
Title: Re: JPG attachments never download
Post by: drukman on January 02, 2015, 04:48:34 am
Sitting here for the last 10 minutes thinking who is more ignorance & dumb - you or Kostya.
Truly can't make up my mind.  :P
HAPPY NEW YEAR !
And a very Happy New Year to you also, I do hope you manage to make your mind up soon. (For the record, I have already made my own mind up on the subject of who is the most ignorant and dumb poster in this thread...)
Andre
Ignorant and dumb as you are, no doubt you came to the right conclusion. 8)
Drukman.